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God has everything to do with our reality. God is not just a word, He is our Creator.
Romans 1:19-20; 25 (NIV) ...19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.
God has everything to do with our reality. God is not just a word, He is our Creator.
nahh...he's not your creator. he's just a made up invisible father figure that is necessary for YOU 'not to' kill/rape/steal. The rest of us don't need a God not to do those things!
God has everything to do with our reality. God is not just a word, He is our Creator.
Romans 1:19-20; 25 (NIV) ...19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.
Fundie has been pwned.. now que the irrelevant Bible quotations.
I'd like to ask the Christians to come up with better arguments than "God is perfect" or "Humans made the world the way it is." We can assume God wants to make life more difficult on us for in order to learn, but why must so many people suffer for the consequences? Fact- innocent and decent people die every day from starvation, disease, etc. "Fact" (Sentiment in an atheist's eyes)- God is perfect. I see a noticable contradiction between one fact and the other "fact." Suffering is perfect? Really?
[/indent]nahh...he's not your creator. he's just a made up invisible father figure that is necessary for YOU 'not to' kill/rape/steal. The rest of us don't need a God not to do those things!
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Originally Posted by MrBlueSky_
You mean TRUE reality, or your man-made God and your fantasy world reality.
There's only one reality and we're in it.. and it says the earth is millions of years old and no global flood every occurred.
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Originally Posted by MrBlueSky_
Fundie has been pwned.. now que the irrelevant Bible quotations.
Wow, such intolerance from self-proclaimed tolerant people. I'm not forcing anything upon anyone. I'm simply answering a question from my POV and look at how well it's received.
Imposing your presuppositions upon me, by claiming the God of the bible is man-made fantasy, is no way to conduct a discussion. Those are simply your points of view which differ from mine. Throwing around such baseless claims that "I" need God to tell me what not to do shows how much you don't know or understand me at all or my faith and belief. As far as "you" just simply knowing what not to do without God means you're also without a clue as to where your morals/ethics come from, whether you acknowledge it or not.
I'm only owned by one person, that's Jesus . No one else owns me, and in no way is your minor argument sufficient to "own" me, i.e. take me to task/prove me wrong or in error. What kind of slang is that any way?? My 15 yr old talks that way. How mature.
As for me being wrong about the age of the earth and global flood, I'd suggest you read up on it ... from my POV. I have sound and reasonable answers that explain why millions of years is not necessary and how unreliable the many dating methods are. But that's another thread.
If you'd do some research on my postings, you'd know where I'm coming from. Oh, but that's right ... because I believe in God and believe in the bible, I can't possibly be intelligent or sane . For all your (plural) claims of tolerance and respect for others you (plural) can't tolerate my point of view because it's different from yours and I don't bow to the god of public opinion.
Wow, such intolerance from self-proclaimed tolerant people. I'm not forcing anything upon anyone. I'm simply answering a question from my POV and look at how well it's received.
Imposing your presuppositions upon me, by claiming the God of the bible is man-made fantasy, is no way to conduct a discussion. Those are simply your points of view which differ from mine. Throwing around such baseless claims that "I" need God to tell me what not to do shows how much you don't know or understand me at all or my faith and belief. As far as "you" just simply knowing what not to do without God means you're also without a clue as to where your morals/ethics come from, whether you acknowledge it or not.
I'm only owned by one person, that's Jesus . No one else owns me, and in no way is your minor argument sufficient to "own" me, i.e. take me to task/prove me wrong or in error. What kind of slang is that any way?? My 15 yr old talks that way. How mature.
As for me being wrong about the age of the earth and global flood, I'd suggest you read up on it ... from my POV. I have sound and reasonable answers that explain why millions of years is not necessary and how unreliable the many dating methods are. But that's another thread.
If you'd do some research on my postings, you'd know where I'm coming from. Oh, but that's right ... because I believe in God and believe in the bible, I can't possibly be intelligent or sane . For all your (plural) claims of tolerance and respect for others you (plural) can't tolerate my point of view because it's different from yours and I don't bow to the god of public opinion.
Do you know what your problem is? No I thought not. The problem is that you state what you believe as fact. It is not fact except in your own mind. It is only what you believe...Facts are backed up by evidence, and you have none. People that do this always irritate others, so I don't know why you are surprised at the responses you get.
In my opinion God did not create the earth, not for man or any other reason. If the earth and universe are erratic, then that is just the way it is....Nothing in the universe is static. It, like everything else is evolving. New stars are being born and old ones continue to die...That is the way it has always been and likely how it will always be.
I'd like to ask the Christians to come up with better arguments than "God is perfect" or "Humans made the world the way it is." We can assume God wants to make life more difficult on us for in order to learn, but why must so many people suffer for the consequences? Fact- innocent and decent people die every day from starvation, disease, etc. "Fact" (Sentiment in an atheist's eyes)- God is perfect. I see a noticable contradiction between one fact and the other "fact." Suffering is perfect? Really?
God is perfect. Humans have made the world the way it is. I stand by those two statements.
Yes, people die every day for a variety of reasons. That is very unfortunate. It is my belief death was introduced into the world because of sin and sin entered the world because of man rebelling against his creator. Until Jesus comes again, this is the reality we face. God promises believers He will be with us, to get us through trials and struggles and tribulations while we're here. This is not our permanent home. This is just where we spend our lives until we go home to glory.
We cannot fully comprehend God's ways, as they are so much higher than us. Who is good? Who is innocent? By what standards do we apply the terms "good" and "innocent" to any one or any thing? IMO the ultimate standard is God and we all fall short of that standard.
Why is there suffering? Because this world is broken and full of sin. Yes, God allows it to happen. Why? I can't answer that, only He can. But suffering happens to the believer and non-believer the same. Just because we believe doesn't mean we'll be spared pain and suffering or death or that our lives will be a rose garden all the time. I trust that all things will work for His glory in the end. We won't fully understand on this side of eternity why God allows bad things to happen. I do believe they happen for a reason. I believe God can see time from the beginning to the end all at once so what doesn't seem right or fair from our limited perspective may have greater implications that we can ever know.
I also trust God will keep His word and there will be a day with no more tears, no more pain or suffering or death.
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. No one else owns me, and in no way is your minor argument sufficient to "own" me, i.e. take me to task/prove me wrong or in error. What kind of slang is that any way?? My 15 yr old talks that way. How mature.
