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You do realize that religion is a man made creation full of blatant errors, contradictions, disproved/unsubstanciated/scientifically impossible phenomena and various ramblings, right?
It amazes me that people in this day and age can be so simple minded to use this man made nonsense to try and judge others, or worse yet push their unscientific, unsubstanciated, foolish beliefs on others.
Just face it--religion is a set of random thoughts by a bunch of men written thousands of years ago to explain the unexplainable--like the origins of life and the cosmos, and also took the opportunity to explain sets of rules as to how one should live their life.
Today, science has disproved every facet of Biblical testament--from Adam & Eve (evolution), to the splitting of the sea (impossible), to Noah's Arc (impossible). How is it people still believe in these folk tale stories? Even if it were proveable, you have no way of providing non-Biblical sources, so your argument gets thrown out the window. YOU HAVE NO PROOF.
You've got Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism, and a host of other belief systems--some as odd as people praising corn, cows or various Greek "gods". Many Christians laugh at these belief systems, but tell me how are your beliefs any different?
You too are relying on folklore and claiming them as fact. You too are taking literally the words of a 2,000 year old book with errors and unscientific claims. You too are worshipping a "god".
Can you PROVE (without referencing the Bible) any of the so-called events (including Jesus' "miracles", or even his existence)? No you cannot. So exactly what makes you think you are in ANY position to push your belief system and judgement on others?
I'm sorry some of you choose to live and dictate your lives by the ramblings of some long dead village men. And I'm even more sorry some of us who are rational thinkers have to endure the endless diatribe and unproveable "beliefs"-touted-as-facts of religious zealots (like so many on this forum).
If I choose to live my life free of the abuse of power, blatant hypocracy, and pure nonsense of organized religion than I have that right. You religious nuts love to talk about how gays push their "lifestyle" on you...and you believe what you do is any different? The hypocracy is astounding.
I'll close with this quote from the legendary Karl Marx, who so eloquently stated, "Religion is nothing but opium for the masses".
I rest my case.
Last edited by LongHornGuy86; 04-20-2007 at 03:43 AM..
You do realize that religion is a man made creation full of blatant errors, contradictions, disproved/unsubstanciated/scientifically impossible phenomena and various ramblings, right?
It amazes me that people in this day and age can be so simple minded to use this man made nonsense to try and judge others, or worse yet push their unscientific, unsubstanciated, foolish beliefs on others.
Just face it--religion is a set of random thoughts by a bunch of men written thousands of years ago to explain the unexplainable--like the origins of life and the cosmos, and also took the opportunity to explain sets of rules as to how one should live their life.
Today, science has disproved every facet of Biblical testament--from Adam & Eve (evolution), to the splitting of the sea (impossible), to Noah's Arc (impossible). How is it people still believe in these folk tale stories? Even if it were proveable, you have no way of providing non-Biblical sources, so your argument gets thrown out the window. YOU HAVE NO PROOF.
You've got Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, Sikhism, and a host of other belief systems--some as odd as people praising corn, cows or various Greek "gods". Many Christians laugh at these belief systems, but tell me how are your beliefs any different?
You too are relying on folklore and claiming them as fact. You too are taking literally the words of a 2,000 year old book with errors and unscientific claims. You too are worshipping a "god".
Can you PROVE (without referencing the Bible) any of the so-called events (including Jesus' "miracles", or even his existence)? No you cannot. So exactly what makes you think you are in ANY position to push your belief system and judgement on others?
I'm sorry some of you choose to live and dictate your lives by the ramblings of some long dead village men. And I'm even more sorry some of us who are rational thinkers have to endure the endless diatribe and unproveable "beliefs"-touted-as-facts of religious zealots (like so many on this forum).
If I choose to live my life free of the abuse of power, blatant hypocracy, and pure nonsense of organized religion than I have that right. You religious nuts love to talk about how gays push their "lifestyle" on you...and you believe what you do is any different? The hypocracy is astounding.
I'll close with this quote from the legendary Karl Marx, who so eloquently stated, "Religion is nothing but opium for the masses".
I rest my case.
Thanks LongHornGuy86, for this confirming post!
Usually these kinds of tirades and negative attacks come from a few Christians here and it's nice to see closed-mindedness and intolerance stands on both sides of religion.
I also appreciate you bringing to light the amount of opposition to the homosexual lifestyle in the Hinduism, Judaism, Islam, and Sikhism communities, I wasn't aware of that.
There are many atheists and agnostics here that enter threads with an earnest desire to converse. A few, very few, that like to use big words and long sentences to tell the religious "You're full of crap." But it's a small minority, and their lack of respect upsets me too.
There are also a few professing Christians here whose tactics are less than Christlike when they approach various issues. But it's a small minority, and their lack of respect upsets me too.
But most of us want to conversate peacefully and have open, honest discourse. The flames you are fanning are anything but the flames of peace.
Everyone is entitled to thier opinions and lifestyles, I would think you of all people could appreciate that.
Look at these Christian zealots and how they trash not only those with differing beliefs but also entire groups of people, such as gays. Of course, under the pretense of "Christianity".
It's a load of crap. If religion is meant to show love, understanding, and respect I must say modern day Christians (including the ones on this board) certainly are not living up to that duty.
Most ignorant, hateful, and spiteful statements are from "Christians" on this board, yet no one challenges them. Now, that's changed. So bring it on.
Before I make my reasons be known for dismissing Christianity, I think it's important that the readers understand I have read and interpreted the Bible numerously and have studied Christianity extensively. My reasons for choosing to reject Christianity are based on facts and opinions.
I've always been a skeptic. Fantastic, unrealistic, and quite frankly, ridiculous stories from the Bible that I have heard ever since I can remember. Now, after 21 years, I am able to logically think for myself and refuse to be manipulated by the church. Before I explain why, I'd like to first state some disturbing observations I have made about many Christians.
I have rejected Christianity for many reasons, but the arrogance and superbity that many Christians seem to exude was the main one. I became quite irritated with Christians feeling that they had the duty to "save" individuals who believe differently than they do. I never did understand that one; why is it that Christians think their religion is right, despite having absolutely no evidence to prove it? Likewise, Jews, Hindus, and Muslims can't prove their beliefs either, but atleast they have enough dignity to keep to themselves and don't feel the need to force their beliefs on others.
I find this arrogance, if you will, to be a very primitive way of thinking, and I am sometimes shocked by the many educated adults who attend church and actually believe what they are told. A common belief among many Christians is that they're the only ones who are "saved" because they believe Jesus died on the cross for their sins. Thus, they believe they are the only ones who'll get into Heaven. They believe anyone who does not hold these beliefs will automatically be condemned to hell.
I have always felt that that belief in and of itself is nothing but bs.
You're telling me that a Christian murderer, rapist, child molester (as we see in the Catholic church), or thief will get into heaven but a Muslim who has been worthy and has led a good life will go to hell simply because they don't believe in Jesus? Get real.
Why is it that people want to be manipulated? I mean, how is it that at 21, I am able to see that the church is nothing but a corrupt institution and has been doing nothing but damaging, manipulating, and intimidating people since it was first established? Better yet, how many people have been murdered or have died in the name of Jesus Christ? Millions.
Millions of people claim that they belong to the Christian religion, but few of them know anything about the alleged life of the founder of their religion, Jesus Christ. Why? Since secular history is silent on the historical actuality of the alleged life and teachings of Jesus, our only source of information on him is the Bible (a very questionable source).
What's quite interesting actually, is that the research I have done has convinced me completely that Christianity is nothing but a hoax. That's right folks, it's fake. Rather than continue to state my opinion, I am going to provide you with facts. Cold hard facts, that as far as I'm concerned, discredit Christianity completely.
If Jesus was born, lived 33 years as a highly influential leader, as the Bible claims, and died, why is there no mention of him by philosophers who lived during the time he supposedly did? More importantly, why isn't there a mention of Jesus by first century Christian, Roman, Greek or Jewish sources from this time? Neither his miracles, his teachings, the place of his birth (Nazareth), death, or prosecutor (Pilate), are ever mentioned by anyone who supposedly lived during his lifetime. Why? Because he hadn't been created yet. Even early Christian writers, like Paul, don't mention anything of a living Jesus. He only mentions a Christ in Heaven. Jesus was given a life, a death, and a legacy long after he supposedly lived.
More disturbing is the fact that if you examine it closely, you'll see that Christianity is nothing more than a combination of the practices, traditions, and beliefs of other religions. Namely, Paganism, Buddhism, Greek mythology, and Judaism.
Did you know many of Jesus' teachings are nearly identical to Buddha's? How can those sayings be of Jesus, when Buddhism was established 400 years prior to Christianity? Even the date of December 25, Jesus' alleged birthday, has roots in Roman mythology. It was the day in which Romans celebrated the life of Mithra, the "sun god." Christian priests simply stole this day and proclaimed it to be a Christian holiday. Another example of such "theft", is the fish we often see on the back of cars, believed by Christians to represent Jesus and their belief in Christianity. Actually, the fish has ties to early paganism; it represented female fertility.
The Bible story of Jesus is a contradictory and confusing account. If you read the entire Bible, you will find tales of ignorance, murder, sexual perversions, mass insanity, idiotic laws, and human sacrifice. There are biblical scriptures (which most priests won't dare speak of) which justify slavery, justify hate and ignorance, and justify the oppression and persecution of others. How can educated adults believe that the Bible was written by a wise, just, and loving God?
I'm still puzzled, really, at how many black Americans consider themselves to be Christian. As a black American, I myself was bewildered at how Jesus would condone slavery, when, according to the Bible, every man is created equal.
You know, really, I could go on and on. I just scratched the surface, providing you with the basics; information you will use hopefully to research Christianity yourself, question your own beliefs, and make your own decisions. That being said, I am NOT an Atheist.
Last edited by LongHornGuy86; 04-20-2007 at 07:16 AM..
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