More Problems With Noah's Ark (faith, God, Christians, believe)
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Yup....The only way it can be explained, is to ignore physics, biology, geology, and all logic etc.....
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The definition of a myth.
Or, if you think of the One who created everything behind physics, biology, geology, etc.. and realize that because He did this, He can surely bend the rules, it gives you a pretty good definition of God.
Exactly!
Or, if you think of the One who created everything behind physics, biology, geology, etc.. and realize that because He did this, He can surely bend the rules, it gives you a pretty good definition of God.
Or if you realize the ones who wrote the bible were people, and people throughout history have written mythologies that once were believed to be true; almost all are considered mythology now. Special pleading.
Of course. The biggest problems with figuring out Noah's Ark and the flood arise when you forget that it was a supernatural event and try to explain it completely scientifically.
There's no way it could happen. But it did.
If one attributes happenings to the supernatural where does it end. At one time, the supernatural events of planets motions through the cosmos were due to angles pushing them through the ether. I guess this is one way of explaining something without any knowledge or understanding, it is called ignorance. When a person chooses to close themselves off from knowledge and understanding all they are left with is superstition and ignorance.
When logic and facts look you in the face it becomes your choice what to do with the information at hand. You can either choose to explore them more, or you can choose to deny them. If we just accept what we are told then we would still be still back believing we are the center of the universe and the planets are being pushed by angels through the ether.
Nikki, first of all, water doesn't just disappear, once here always here, it just changes form from gas to liquid to a solid. So if there was enough water to flood the whole earth, it would still be here today, and if it were here today, we would still be under water. Even if all the ice melted there would not be enough flood the whole planet.
I'm not a believer in Noah's flood, but you aren't accounting for the uplift of sections of the Earth's crust due to tectonic forces, such as the Himalaya Mountains, and the additional crust thickness that has been emplaced over the eons due to volcanic eruptions.
Nikki, first of all, water doesn't just disappear, once here always here, it just changes form from gas to liquid to a solid. So if there was enough water to flood the whole earth, it would still be here today, and if it were here today, we would still be under water. Even if all the ice melted there would not be enough flood the whole planet.
As far as kangaroos, did the two of them get together and agree not to breed until they reached Australia? If kangaroos migrated to Australia, how did they get there? Why is it that they and others are only found in Australia?
Your view ignores basic biology and physics, but that's your choice, what we choose to believe is up to each person, be it correct or not.
No, the water returned from where it came that is the oceans.
Kangaroos are like other animals, they breed quite readily. Kangaroos and other marsupials found a certain area of the world to their liking in a post flood, less than ideal climates. The techtonic plates broke appart after the flood during the time of babel. It says that in the days of Peleg was the Earth divided. This division caused animals not to migrate to other areas of the world so easily.
Of course. The biggest problems with figuring out Noah's Ark and the flood arise when you forget that it was a supernatural event and try to explain it completely scientifically.
There's no way it could happen. But it did.
Your right not all supernatural things are can be explained by science. So, we have to just believe God sometimes. Like the resurection of Jesus Christ.
However the Supernatural is still dealing with things in this world and they leave there mark. The dead are found alive and can talk to us. The flood of Noah's time is recorded in the Geological Column, in fact it is the entire Geological Column.
So, we can look at this evidence to see what supernatural thing happened.
Well, the bible explains what actually happened. Just becuase you cannot reason it out does not mean that it didn't happen. In fact there are many times when I heard people say "I can't believe that..." to something that they were eye witness to. So, I am not shocked by your disbelief of the historical account of the bible.
This is quite different than saying I can't believe I just won the lottery or something of that nature.
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The bible does give us some clues as to what happened.
The flood was catastrophic and caused the entire world to be destroyed. That is the lush perfect world prior to the flood that had animals and vegitaion everywhere.
Insects were not on the ark. They are not land animals, and probably survived well on matts of vegitation that were floating on the water.
A cockroach is not a land animal? What is it?
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Noah did not go to Austrailia to get kangaroo. You are not thinking in reverse. The Kangaroo migrated to Austrailia after the flood.
How did the kangaroos travel across the ocean to get to Australia? An even better argument against the flood is the koala bear. The koala has a diet made up almost entirely of eucalypt leaves which are exclusive to Australia. How did the koala bear migrate to Australia without any food?
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The entire geologic column is the evidence of the one event of the Global flood of Noah's day.
Yes there was alot of water that fell. It says that the fountains of the deep broke and the rains fell. It is believed that the earth had only a shell and not individual techtonic plates. When these plates cracked (broke up), the ocean waters hit the hot magma below thrusting steam into the atmosphere. This is were most of the floods water came from. After the flood it went back to were it came, the oceans. Much water was frozen in the polar ice caps in the post flood world. It is Job that references the ice in this post flood world.
Here are some questions you need to answer; from Talk Origins:
How was the water contained? Rock, at least the rock which makes up the earth's crust, doesn't float. The water would have been forced to the surface long before Noah's time, or Adam's time for that matter.
Even a mile deep, the earth is boiling hot, and thus the reservoir of water would be superheated. Further heat would be added by the energy of the water falling from above the atmosphere. As with the vapor canopy model, Noah would have been poached.
Where is the evidence? The escaping waters would have eroded the sides of the fissures, producing poorly sorted basaltic erosional deposits. These would be concentrated mainly near the fissures, but some would be shot thousands of miles along with the water. (Noah would have had to worry about falling rocks along with the rain.) Such deposits would be quite noticeable but have never been seen.
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The animals were not drugged while on the ark. They acted just like animals do today. With one exception and that is that they only ate vegitation. Genesis is clear that humans and animals only ate vegitation, what the bible refers to as herbs, in the beginning. It is not until after the flood that God allowed the eating of meat.
How was the vegitation gathered? How did is stay fresh for aphids, which are physically incapable of consuming wilted leaved, to eat it? Also, how did a crew of 8 manage to feed the millions of species on the ark?
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plants can survive being drenched with water. They can even survive in seed form for a long time. Recently a date palm seed that was 2000 years old was grown in Israel.
They used carbon dating to figure out it's age. I thought carbon dating was unreliable!? Anyway, it was sitting around for 2000 years and didn't start to grow until a human planted it. More questions that needs answers from Talk Origins:
Many plants (seeds and all) would be killed by being submerged for a few months. This is especially true if they were soaked in salt water. Some mangroves, coconuts, and other coastal species have seed which could be expected to survive the Flood itself, but what of the rest?
Most seeds would have been buried under many feet (even miles) of sediment. This is deep enough to prevent spouting.
# Most plants require established soils to grow--soils which would have been stripped by the Flood.
Some plants germinate only after being exposed to fire or after being ingested by animals; these conditions would be rare (to put it mildly) after the Flood.
Noah could not have gathered seeds for all plants because not all plants produce seeds, and a variety of plant seeds can't survive a year before germinating. [Garwood, 1989; Benzing, 1990; Densmore & Zasada, 1983] Also, how did he distribute them all over the world?
Exactly!
Or, if you think of the One who created everything behind physics, biology, geology, etc.. and realize that because He did this, He can surely bend the rules, it gives you a pretty good definition of God.
Ahhh, the old God did it argument that pops up when Christians have no answers..I was wondering how long it would take.
Ahhh, the old God did it argument that pops up when Christians have no answers..I was wondering how long it would take.
"God did it" is the answer.
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