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Old 11-02-2008, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Surprise, surprise! I'm siding with jackiefrost and MontanaGuy on this one.

I think it's absolutely beyond the limits of absurd to assume that a man who could best be described as a walking mummy heard the voice of a supernatural sky creature telling him to build a boat and carry all the creatures of the Earth because people were bad and needed "cleansing".

If there's any validity to the story at all it's probably that an old man who suffered from Alzheimer's and severe dementia heard voices telling him to build a boat and thus the dawning of people believing in this insanity for thousands of years.

I guess it just goes to show you that this fanciful delusion that still pervades modern day society was probably built off of something rattling around in the head of a dusty old codger who probably forgot the names of all of his children. The irony is that while we could almost forgive the senility of an old man building a slip-shod dinghy to sail the oceans of the world with a few zoo creatures, people otherwise within their right minds have founded a peculiar following to what probably amounted to nothing more than severe dementia and senility.

What happened to your childlike whimsy... so hard, so jaded... Its all according your present understanding...

Suggestion... go outside.. look at the stars, dream a little...ponder the vaste expanse of eternity and you'll find in that still moment a wonder of hope and peace, or maybe not. It may be too late to find that inner child that can dream of all things being possible.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 11-02-2008, 06:29 PM
 
Location: Mississippi
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What happened to your childlike whimsy... so hard, so jaded... Its all according your present understanding...

Suggestion... go outside.. look at the stars, dream a little...ponder the vaste expanse of eternity and you'll find in that still moment a wonder of hope and peace, or maybe not. It may be too late to find that inner child that can dream of all things being possible.

godspeed,

freedom
Well, I'm glad we both agree that these are childlike beliefs.
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Old 11-02-2008, 06:43 PM
 
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well, i'm glad we both agree that these are childlike beliefs.
Zing!
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Old 11-02-2008, 06:53 PM
 
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I think this story is just to show that god hates people and animals(wtf they do to deserve it?). Almost everybody died.
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Old 11-02-2008, 06:59 PM
 
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I would like to offer a few things for you skeptics consideration. While they will not prove the bible account of the flood, I think you will find them interesting.

Assyrian king Ashurbanipal (669-627 B.C.) had a cuneiform library of over ten thousand tablets. He himself mentions a great flood. In which he says, "Now I take pleasure in the reading of the stones coming from before the flood." Also in his library are the Gilgamesh tablets which tell the story of a great flood that has some parallels with the bible account. There is also one cuneiform tablet that tells of bodies floating about like logs in the water.

In Chinese legends of the deluge the Chinese hero Fah-Le escaped the destruction of the flood with his wife and three children. Another Chinese tradition says that all Chinese are descendants of Nu-wah who survived a great flood.

Stories of the flood are found among the Eskimos of North America. There are accounts from Russia, Finland and Iceland. Also from Aborigines and the Tierra Del Feugo natives of south America.

In America there are 58 different Indian Deluge accounts, the Navajo Indians believed that the Grand Canyon was the result of the Great Flood.

John Chrysostom (345-407 A.D.) of Constantinople reports that the Ark can still be seen in his day. Marco Polo (1234-1324 A.D.) reports that the ark could still be seen in his time. In 1916 Pilot Vladimir Roskovitsky flew over Mt. Ararat and reported seeing what he believed to be the ark.

While these facts do not prove anything, they are certainly food for thought.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:05 PM
 
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I would like to offer a few things for you skeptics consideration. While they will not prove the bible account of the flood, I think you will find them interesting.

Assyrian king Ashurbanipal (669-627 B.C.) had a cuneiform library of over ten thousand tablets. He himself mentions a great flood. In which he says, "Now I take pleasure in the reading of the stones coming from before the flood." Also in his library are the Gilgamesh tablets which tell the story of a great flood that has some parallels with the bible account. There is also one cuneiform tablet that tells of bodies floating about like logs in the water.

In Chinese legends of the deluge the Chinese hero Fah-Le escaped the destruction of the flood with his wife and three children. Another Chinese tradition says that all Chinese are descendants of Nu-wah who survived a great flood.

Stories of the flood are found among the Eskimos of North America. There are accounts from Russia, Finland and Iceland. Also from Aborigines and the Tierra Del Feugo natives of south America.

In America there are 58 different Indian Deluge accounts, the Navajo Indians believed that the Grand Canyon was the result of the Great Flood.

John Chrysostom (345-407 A.D.) of Constantinople reports that the Ark can still be seen in his day. Marco Polo (1234-1324 A.D.) reports that the ark could still be seen in his time. In 1916 Pilot Vladimir Roskovitsky flew over Mt. Ararat and reported seeing what he believed to be the ark.

While these facts do not prove anything, they are certainly food for thought.
Given time, most cultures near water sources will experience floods. Imagine if New Orleans/Hurricane Katrina occurred in ancient times. It would be worthy of the annals of that culture's history. (It certainly is ours.) Or use the 2004 tsunami if you wish.

Biblical peoples had no idea what global meant. They had no knowledge of North and South America, and Antarctica for example.

To sum it all up...floods happen.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:12 PM
 
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Well, I'm glad we both agree that these are childlike beliefs.
Out of the mouth of babes....

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:19 PM
 
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I would like to offer a few things for you skeptics consideration. While they will not prove the bible account of the flood, I think you will find them interesting.

Assyrian king Ashurbanipal (669-627 B.C.) had a cuneiform library of over ten thousand tablets. He himself mentions a great flood. In which he says, "Now I take pleasure in the reading of the stones coming from before the flood." Also in his library are the Gilgamesh tablets which tell the story of a great flood that has some parallels with the bible account. There is also one cuneiform tablet that tells of bodies floating about like logs in the water.

In Chinese legends of the deluge the Chinese hero Fah-Le escaped the destruction of the flood with his wife and three children. Another Chinese tradition says that all Chinese are descendants of Nu-wah who survived a great flood.

Stories of the flood are found among the Eskimos of North America. There are accounts from Russia, Finland and Iceland. Also from Aborigines and the Tierra Del Feugo natives of south America.

In America there are 58 different Indian Deluge accounts, the Navajo Indians believed that the Grand Canyon was the result of the Great Flood.

John Chrysostom (345-407 A.D.) of Constantinople reports that the Ark can still be seen in his day. Marco Polo (1234-1324 A.D.) reports that the ark could still be seen in his time. In 1916 Pilot Vladimir Roskovitsky flew over Mt. Ararat and reported seeing what he believed to be the ark.

While these facts do not prove anything, they are certainly food for thought.
Man I find those ark sightings to be on the same level as ufo sightings. I kept seeing pictures between 1940 and 1980 that pointed out some dodgy bulges in the snow but then I ruined the mystery by using a satellite map and checking Mt Ararat(east of turkey)
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:21 PM
 
Location: Toronto, ON
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What makes people believe is amazing threats of Nature abusing us because we didn't adjust to the signs of a wicked or Greedy man. I think previous to the coming of the prophet Noah humans began to mark their ambitions ,,, hey, there was a problem with the sons of Abraham being to there to the true ancestry, and also there pro-creating to all nomadic possibilities for achieving the true freedom from Condemation (or something). Then Noah screws it up: I think that Ismael, the third son of Noah, was paradoxically born both before and after the Flood. Just like the Fall of Man re-cycled into the time of the Jews flight from Egypt into the midst of the Caananites of the Sinai, which pre-existed at the same time sequence for the flood of Noah for when the true Ismael was born (one or the other I guess); the fall of Man was the practical misery of survival which had no pre-existence only essential water, or something being reborn, like the whole of mankind per the Existence.
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Old 11-02-2008, 07:23 PM
 
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Given time, most cultures near water sources will experience floods. Imagine if New Orleans/Hurricane Katrina occurred in ancient times. It would be worthy of the annals of that culture's history. (It certainly is ours.) Or use the 2004 tsunami if you wish.

Biblical peoples had no idea what global meant. They had no knowledge of North and South America, and Antarctica for example.

To sum it all up...floods happen.

That is certainly a possibility, but of course I don't believe that is correct. I think it was such a traumatic event that all the survivors passed down some form of account of the Great Flood.
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