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Old 11-01-2008, 07:02 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Sorry, Noah's Ark was not a global flood. It may not even have been a real event on a smaller scale. Regional flooding is plausible, but elements of a global flood and Noah living hundreds of years and building an ark are ridiculous.

Humans didn't even know what global was, to state a global flood. North and South America, Antarctica and perhaps Australia weren't even known. How would they know what global meant?

Animals did not traverse across continents to climb onboard an Ark, and the idea that "god created new animals after" is elementary school entertainment.

Noah's Ark is an amusing little tale, but not one to take seriously. The scientific record does not support a global flood, and Creationists who are making this claim have not proven their case. (Along with other Creationist claims.)

The only people who believe this literally are drinking the Holy Gatorade.

You may want to spend a little more time studying up on the subject before calling God's powers elementary or mocking believers as unstable consumers of intoxicating mythical liquids.

godspeed,

freedom
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Old 11-01-2008, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Actually there is more than enough scientific study and proof of a global flood and global extinction of animals and plant life.

As well as proof that the continents were all one.

godspeed,

freedom
Why not post it then, because I sure haven't seen any. Pangea (single continent) existed 250 million years ago, long before Noah's time.
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Old 11-01-2008, 08:00 PM
 
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Why not post it then, because I sure haven't seen any. Pangea (single continent) existed 250 million years ago, long before Noah's time.
Your good at finding information on things that interest you...

You don't still believe that failed carbon dating science do you?....


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freedom
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Old 11-01-2008, 08:03 PM
 
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You may want to spend a little more time studying up on the subject before calling God's powers elementary or mocking believers as unstable consumers of intoxicating mythical liquids.

godspeed,

freedom
How DARE you call the Holy Gatorade mythical. I'll pray for you.

Just kidding.
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Old 11-01-2008, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Your good at finding information on things that interest you...

You don't still believe that failed carbon dating science do you?....


godspeed,

freedom
You disappoint me freedom...I fully expected you to post that scientific proof I asked for regarding the flood.

Yes I do believe radiocarbon dating is useful, but limited. It can only be used to date organic remains and is not reliable beyond about 60,000 years. To date inorganics the preferred method is potassium argon dating. With this method accuracy improves the older the object being dated is.
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Old 11-02-2008, 01:01 AM
 
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You may want to spend a little more time studying up on the subject before calling God's powers elementary or mocking believers as unstable consumers of intoxicating mythical liquids.

godspeed,

freedom
Dear Internet Friend Freedom,

I have spent more than enough time researching your god and have concluded that she is fictional, and if she were real, she would be brought up on war crimes.

Thanks.
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Old 11-02-2008, 01:42 AM
 
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Well said, Freedom!
No. Its not, Liz. He's saying believe in magic or your wrong.

btw China always has floods during monsoon season, thats just natural in that part of the world on a yearly basis.

There is no record anywhere of a 40-day long flood and if there is, I'd be interested to see that culture's documented evidence of that besides the Bible and any other Christian documents.

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Old 11-02-2008, 01:46 AM
 
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I will explain my beliefs in a non-religious way.

Just about every culture on Earth has a story of a flood of mythological proportions. That being said, my theory is that this "great flood" carried survivors to other parts of the world otherwise inaccessible (North America). Artifacts confirm that there were in fact human beings in North America prior to the migrations of 10,000 BC. Perhaps Earth's inhabitants did in fact see what was coming, and to be honest, a great flood could be caused by a number of things such as a comet or large asteroid with a strong enough gravitational pull passing too close, or a rare moon cycle.

So, there is a scientific explanation for what the Bible tells. I personally don't believe there would have been a large "ark" or single ship, but instead primitive humans found other ways to survive. The same could be said for animals, certainly their instincts would tell them to head for the highest ground, mountaintops or otherwise.
Not critcising, but can you tell us where this documentation about a 40-day flood all happening at the same time from the world's other cultures are (besides the Bible and other Christian documents)?

Your right about comets and large meteors, they figure thats what wiped out the dinosaurs. That and the forming continents (Land that was once the seabed) could explain seashells and fossilized remains of ancient sea creatures. Finding a seashell in Kansas doesn't automatically conclude there was a Great Flood, it literally only means:

1. the land that would be Kansas was under the ocean millenia ago while the continents were shifting around

2. someone may have just dropped a seashell here when returning from a vacation to the coast for all we know.
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Old 11-02-2008, 05:34 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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Actually the myth says the flood lasted 150 days...The 40 days is how long it rained to bring on the flood.

At the end of 150 days the Ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. For 150 days again the waters receded, and the hilltops emerged. Noah sent out a raven which "went to and fro until the waters were dried up from the earth". Next, Noah sent a dove out, but it returned having found nowhere to land. After a further seven days, Noah again sent out the dove, and it returned with an olive leaf in its beak,
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Old 11-02-2008, 06:28 AM
 
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Actually the myth says the flood lasted 150 days...The 40 days is how long it rained to bring on the flood.

At the end of 150 days the Ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat. For 150 days again the waters receded, and the hilltops emerged. Noah sent out a raven which "went to and fro until the waters were dried up from the earth". Next, Noah sent a dove out, but it returned having found nowhere to land. After a further seven days, Noah again sent out the dove, and it returned with an olive leaf in its beak,
So basically an entire year.

What did they eat?

How did they store all that food?

Where'd they get fresh water? (Elephants and horses drink gallons and gallons of it per day and enough water for every creature would be immensly heavy)

Where'd they get fresh supplies?

How could they repair the boat after the storm without a place to moor?

How'd they keep the meat fresh for the carnivores and enough ripe
vegetation available for the others without refrigeration?

And can you imagine the smell?

Zoos today have a hard time maintaining that for the animals they keep. How could Noah 2000 yrs ago on a wooden ship?

Lastly, how did an olive tree survive a year long drowning? All life, including plants, would have drowned. Survivors on that ship would likely have perished from dehydration and starvation, assuming the animals and humans didn't start on each other to survive. Only sealife and those adapted to it could have survived with success.

Its not that simple to just get on a boat and sail for a year and thats it. There's all these things to consider that people just don't think about. Why is that?
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