Noah's Ark - How'd that happen? (atheism, faith, believing, belief)
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One has to do a lot of mental gymnastics to deny all these things...It should be interesting, although I already know a few of the answers you will see...
Not criticizing, but can you tell us where this documentation about a 40-day flood all happening at the same time from the world's other cultures are (besides the Bible and other Christian documents)?
I have doubts about a 40 Day flood worldwide, I suspect if the event occurred, it would have lasted longer in some places than in others. Perhaps the Mediterranean region did experience slightly longer floods due to increased rainfall or an heightened water table.
Predecessors to the Aztec and Mayan civilizations had vague mythology in regards to a catastrophic flood prior to their own existence. Sometimes on Sundays the History Channel shows their programs in regard to this - I believe that is where I picked this particular bit of info up.
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Originally Posted by Jackyfrost01
Your right about comets and large meteors, they figure that is what wiped out the dinosaurs. That and the forming continents (Land that was once the seabed) could explain seashells and fossilized remains of ancient sea creatures. Finding a seashell in Kansas doesn't automatically conclude there was a Great Flood, it literally only means:
1. the land that would be Kansas was under the ocean millenia ago while the continents were shifting around
2. someone may have just dropped a seashell here when returning from a vacation to the coast for all we know.
Perhaps the story is alluding to the fact that human existence far predates the breaking up of the continents? If that were the case, it would contradict evolution, but then again there is no preset time frame for how long it would take x human to evolve to x form.
Grain stores for 10 yrs., chickens lay eggs, cows, sheep, and goats and camels give an abundance of milk. There was plenty of meat.
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How did they store all that food?
It was a big boat.
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Where'd they get fresh water? (Elephants and horses drink gallons and gallons of it per day and enough water for every creature would be immensly heavy)
It rained for 1/3 of the time. water stores nicely for a few months.
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Where'd they get fresh supplies?
like what?
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How could they repair the boat after the storm without a place to moor?
No need to repair a boat built so well.
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How'd they keep the meat fresh for the carnivores and enough ripe
vegetation available for the others without refrigeration?
They had practice.
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And can you imagine the smell?
You'd get use to it.
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Zoos today have a hard time maintaining that for the animals they keep. How could Noah 2000 yrs ago on a wooden ship?
Noah walked with God, i'm sure he could ask and receive anything he needed.
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Lastly, how did an olive tree survive a year long drowning? All life, including plants, would have drowned. Survivors on that ship would likely have perished from dehydration and starvation, assuming the animals and humans didn't start on each other to survive. Only sealife and those adapted to it could have survived with success.
Seeds handle fire, flood, freeze, etc... its an amazing system. Man and animals can survive on very little food and water when in a controlled setting, its nothing to fast for 90 days and Noahs family was very use to fasting. Animals can go even longer.. though i think they wanted for nothing and were well taken care of.
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Its not that simple to just get on a boat and sail for a year and thats it. There's all these things to consider that people just don't think about. Why is that?
It wasn't a sail boat, and with a hundred yrs of preparation, i bet you could connect all the dots.
Grain stores for 10 yrs., chickens lay eggs, cows, sheep, and goats and camels give an abundance of milk. There was plenty of meat.
It was a big boat.
It rained for 1/3 of the time. water stores nicely for a few months.
like what?
No need to repair a boat built so well.
They had practice.
You'd get use to it.
Noah walked with God, i'm sure he could ask and receive anything he needed.
Seeds handle fire, flood, freeze, etc... its an amazing system. Man and animals can survive on very little food and water when in a controlled setting, its nothing to fast for 90 days and Noahs family was very use to fasting. Animals can go even longer.. though i think they wanted for nothing and were well taken care of.
It wasn't a sail boat, and with a hundred yrs of preparation, i bet you could connect all the dots.
godspeed,
freedom
That was the funniest thing i read today.
Thanks for the laughs!
That was the funniest thing i read today.
Thanks for the laughs!
Plants don't grow fresh fruit everyday. There wouldn't be sufficient harvest to feed all the plant eating animals. Elephants, horses...they require a lot of vegetation per day and there's no way Noah's wooden boat would have provided for that. Starving animals would have been unruly and dangerous and certainly turned on each other in the need to eat especially if their recognized prey was nearby.
What fresh meat? The 2 animals per species they were saving?
A boat made so well? You helped build it? You were there? Boats made hundreds of years later (ie. 15-17th century) and even today require(d) regular maintenance. It wouldn't have been any different back then either.
Everything is not just "that simple". If your answer is always "God this..." and "God that..." well thats not really an argument. Thats basically saying "I don't know, but I won't concede that, so I'll just say it was God's will." Okay. Thats fine. If it makes you happy to think that, thats your issue. I'll interpret you r answers like that as "I don't know" and leave it at that.
The whole story isn't logical and I don't think a magical spell made it all just work out. If thats the case why let all those innocent people die needlessly on the Titanic and any other of the multitude of shipwrecks in history?
No magic saved those people on ships that were several times more advanced equipped with modern navigation systems. Why didn't a divine hand help them? Not buying that it "just worked out so deal with it." No. Sounds to me like someone can't explain it, won't admit it, whose only answer is "God", thats garbage. Give a real answer or don't answer at all.
Sorry, not trying to insult, but your close mindedness to any other possibilities or that maybe it wasn't so cut-and-dry is just frustrating.
Have a nice day.
Last edited by Jackyfrost01; 11-02-2008 at 03:14 PM..
No. Its not, Liz. He's saying believe in magic or your wrong.
btw China always has floods during monsoon season, thats just natural in that part of the world on a yearly basis.
There is no record anywhere of a 40-day long flood and if there is, I'd be interested to see that culture's documented evidence of that besides the Bible and any other Christian documents.
Here you are JackyFrost01. Did you actually click on this link and read the contents.? I posted it a page back.
Contrary to your assertions, these new finds show China has one of the greatest flood traditions. Also the story is of a man and his wife and and his three sons and daughters who escaped the flood in a boat. Sound familiar? Read the rest of it. It won't take even two minutes of your time.
It's a bit of an eye-opener.
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