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Old 04-30-2024, 11:31 AM
 
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Hmmm. Seems like text to me. :-)
Yes, stolen concept from many other non-christian cultures, dating back to at least ancient Egypt, albeit stated differently.
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Old 04-30-2024, 11:35 AM
 
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source?
Look it up. Wikipedia explains it all quite well.
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Old 04-30-2024, 11:36 AM
 
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Yes, stolen concept from many other non-christian cultures, dating back to at least ancient Egypt, albeit stated differently.
Stolen? Humane values are inherent in us. They get expressed in all human thoughts, because they are inherent. They have no copyrights.
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Old 04-30-2024, 11:38 AM
 
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Yes, stolen concept from many other non-christian cultures, dating back to at least ancient Egypt, albeit stated differently.
Why "stolen", as if the intent was nefarious? How about just incorporating something that sounds worthy into your own culture, law, or religion?

Happens all the time. You may as well say that checks and balances in the US government were "stolen" from.the Iroquois (by way of the Dutch colony's government at Nieuw Amsterdam) and incorporated into our Constitution, but what happens is that groups of humans say, "Hey, that's a great idea they have! We should adopt that!"
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Old 04-30-2024, 11:52 AM
 
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Stolen? Humane values are inherent in us. They get expressed in all human thoughts, because they are inherent. They have no copyrights.
As far as I'm concerned -- and I don't care what you think about this -- when you formally borrow a concept and don't give credit for it, that's stealing.
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Old 04-30-2024, 11:54 AM
 
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Why "stolen", as if the intent was nefarious? How about just incorporating something that sounds worthy into your own culture, law, or religion?

Happens all the time. You may as well say that checks and balances in the US government were "stolen" from.the Iroquois (by way of the Dutch colony's government at Nieuw Amsterdam) and incorporated into our Constitution, but what happens is that groups of humans say, "Hey, that's a great idea they have! We should adopt that!"
If you give credit...fine. But my point is that christians try to claim it as their own (as we have seen in this thread), when they actually borrowed it.

It's not unlike me being able to realize and say that some of the foundations of Buddhist thought are derived from Hinduism, and that in Thailand Buddhists do respect and sometimes even worship Hindu shrines.

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Old 04-30-2024, 12:37 PM
 
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If you give credit...fine. But my point is that christians try to claim it as their own (as we have seen in this thread), when they actually borrowed it.

It's not unlike me being able to realize and say that some of the foundations of Buddhist thought are derived from Hinduism, and that in Thailand Buddhists do respect and sometimes even worship Hindu shrines.
Christianity may be all they know.
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Old 04-30-2024, 12:39 PM
 
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If you give credit...fine. But my point is that christians try to claim it as their own (as we have seen in this thread), when they actually borrowed it.

It's not unlike me being able to realize and say that some of the foundations of Buddhist thought are derived from Hinduism, and that in Thailand Buddhists do respect and sometimes even worship Hindu shrines.
Christianity may be all they know.

Which is a choice, to not learn about others' beliefs. Here's a book for Christians who want to broaden their knowledge.

https://www.amazon.com/My-Neighbors-...0-93d93508f8ff
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Old 04-30-2024, 12:53 PM
 
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Why "stolen", as if the intent was nefarious? How about just incorporating something that sounds worthy into your own culture, law, or religion?

Happens all the time. You may as well say that checks and balances in the US government were "stolen" from.the Iroquois (by way of the Dutch colony's government at Nieuw Amsterdam) and incorporated into our Constitution, but what happens is that groups of humans say, "Hey, that's a great idea they have! We should adopt that!"
Or how about just recognizing that 'Do unto others as you would have them do unto you,' or however you choose to phrase it, is simply a practical and universal concept that need not be borrowed or stolen from some other place. It's simply a common sense principle that should be instinctive to everyone. Yes, no, maybe?
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Old 04-30-2024, 01:06 PM
 
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and just as principles are universal, and not owned by any single group or by any single path (of religion and spirituality),
so too is the sacred universal and not owned by single path,
so too is divinity universal and not proprietary to any single path. or religion. or teacher.


there are no gatekeepers. for any of those.
there are humans, and human behavior. we have a choice as humans regarding the behaviors we engage in. which principles we pick up and use, and which we steer clear of.

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