What is the Function of the Holy Ghost?

[phetaroi]

Originally Posted by Horn of ‘83

Why?

Are you really thinking?

Let's take just one bible story: Lot's wife turning into a pillar of salt.

Prove it happened.

[mordant]

The Bible claims many things. It claims for example there was light and darkness / day and night before there was a sun or moon, since god created those two "lights" after the first day, which consisted of "evening and morning". It doesn't prove or substantiate that this was so, much less explain how that could even be ... it just claims it was so.

As Phet pointed out, it claims a person turned into salt, that there was a talking snake and a talking donkey, etc.

Inerrantists / literalists have the burden of believing such statements as literally true simply because they are in the holy book, contrary to humanity's current knowledge base. Virtually anyone else has to admit that such things are allegory or metaphor or symbolism or legend (or simply fiction).

[deadwood]

Originally Posted by ocpaul20

and what makes the Holy Ghost - Holy?

See 1 Tim 6:16

[deadwood]

Originally Posted by mordant

It claims for example there was light and darkness / day and night before there was a sun or moon,

The way I heard it was that the expanse of space and celestial bodies that abode therein were created during the period referred unto as the first day;

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3

which concluded when visible light appeared.

And God saw the light, that it was good:Gen 1:4

So you have the darkness of space without visible light and then beginning of visible light

And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen. 1:5

So the measure between evening (darkness) and morning (light) is what defines a day

Originally Posted by mordant

since god created those two "lights" after the first day, which consisted of "evening and morning".

So I take it you are referring unto the two great lights that God made during the period referred unto as the fourth day.

And God made two great lights; Gen 1:16

Well, when the visible light was divided from the invisible light there were two great lights Night and Day.

[mordant]

Originally Posted by deadwood

The way I heard it was that the expanse of space and celestial bodies that abode therein were created during the period referred unto as the first day;

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Gen 1:3

which concluded when visible light appeared.

And God saw the light, that it was good:Gen 1:4

So you have the darkness of space without visible light and then beginning of visible light

And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen. 1:5

So the measure between evening (darkness) and morning (light) is what defines a day



So I take it you are referring unto the two great lights that God made during the period referred unto as the fourth day.

And God made two great lights; Gen 1:16

Well, when the visible light was divided from the invisible light there were two great lights Night and Day.

Well there is the problem of whether the days were literal days or metaphorical ones. I was addressing them from the literalist viewpoint, which means if there was a day delineated by literal night / day, that would require the sun (at a minimum) and it sounds like the author is completely ignorant about matters celestial. More exactly the writing is consistent with the Hebrew cosmology -- the notion of a dome-like "firmament" carrying the stars, the sun and moon, resting on the "pillars of the earth", etc.

It is pretty hard to take the unforced meaning of the words with any degree of "this really happened as described" literalness and still tap dance around the problems in the text.

And yes I was referring to the "two great lights" which would be the sun (greater light to rule the day) and moon (lesser light to rule the night).