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To give a more detailed answer I need more clarification of this question
Sorry, didn't mean to be vague (though I suppose I kinda did). But I'm happy to break it down for you and clarify, as follows.
1. I happen to agree with you on these two statements:
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the bible contains books invented by human
it is credulity how some one accept a normal person opnion as a a religion and doctrine
2. However, I also think that the Quran and Islam share the exact same characteristics. Namely, books written by humans and a religion/doctrine based on the opinions of "normal people."
3. Which puts you in the same position as people who believe that the Bible (or any other holy book) and Christianity (or any other religion) were somehow created by non-human, supernatural forces. Metaphorically, we call this living in a glass house.
4. There is a wise proverb that says "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones," meaning that people with faults or shortcomings shouldn't criticize others for having the same faults or shortcomings.
5. I'm just wondering if the Quran has any similar guidance for those of us living in metaphorical glass houses?
Addressed to the bold, what NON-HUMAN wrote what is in the Quran???
no one word in the Quran is from human
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.
It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime.
Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries,
so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
Since the beginning of history, all those who have claimed to be prophets have been, at their worst, evasive, and at their best, suffering from psychological problems.
A person suffering from schizophrenia does not mean that he is crazy and irrational
He is fully rational, but he sees and hears things that are not apparent to anyone else.
The Mormon Church acknowledged that its founder, Joseph Smith, married about forty women, including Henry's 14-year-old girl and others who were wives of his followers, and retracted its insistence for two hundred years that he was married to only one woman.
another one is Paul
Christ, peace be upon him, died and did not dictate the Gospel to his disciples,
as the Prophet Muhammad - may God bless him and grant him peace - did.
Rather, he left his teachings in the hearts, and did not leave many followers, as his disciples - the Apostles - were twelve men, including Judas Iscariot, the traitor.
After him, they were subjected to severe persecution and dispersed throughout the country.
Immediately after the rise of Christ, peace be upon him, a man called (Saul) entered Christianity, and he was called after that ( Paul) [10 AD - 67 AD],
and he is the one who founded today's Christianity. Almost everything that exists today in Christianity goes back to “Paul the Apostle,” as they call him, as he is the true apostle of Christianity.
This man was Jewish by father and mother, extremely fanatical towards his religion,
studied philosophy under the most famous teachers of his time, had the greatest hatred for Christianity, and was veiled in hostility to this new religion.
He was a thief who robbed churches and synagogues overnight, and in a story that did not It is narrated by others, and the accounts of supporters as well as opponents conflict about it.
Paul was transformed into an “apostle” from “the Lord of Glory Jesus[1].”
He claimed that (the Lord Jesus) appeared to him on his way to Damascus and blamed him for his hostility to him and his followers, and ordered him to be his messenger to the people to speak to them with the tongue of Christ - peace be upon him.
Since the disciples were few, persecuted and dispersed, and the Jews were in control, Paul began to speak whatever he pleased. The title of “Apostle” was imposed on him, and he was not - not even for a single day - one of the disciples of Christ - peace be upon him -.
What did Paul do?!
He isolated Christ - peace be upon him - and made him a god to be worshiped with God, and he took on the role of the messenger.
With all the meanings of the word messenger, he was permitted and prohibited, and he wrote letters to the countries, and his letters were later included in the (Holy) Book. He created the most dangerous religious deviation known to humanity, which is what is known as Christianity today. . . All Christians venerate Paul, and he is to all of them a messenger from the Lord of Glory, Jesus.
2. However, I also think that the Quran and Islam share the exact same characteristics. Namely, books written by humans and a religion/doctrine based on the opinions of "normal people."
3. Which puts you in the same position as people who believe that the Bible (or any other holy book) and Christianity (or any other religion) were somehow created by non-human, supernatural forces. Metaphorically, we call this living in a glass house.
any one can claim any thing but it worthless without no supported facts and evidance
Among the Muslims in this era there are people who got and memorized the Quran orally from someone who got it and memorized it also orally .. and so on until they reach to the time of the final prophet
and they got it and memorized it orally from the Prophet
and the Prophet got it orally from Gabriel and Gabriel got from Allah.
And if you hear all the Quran from them ,
every one will say the same thing
and also if you compare what they said to the first written copy of the Quran you will find them identical.
no relegion can show the chain transmation except the final one .
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4. There is a wise proverb that says "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones," meaning that people with faults or shortcomings shouldn't criticize others for having the same faults or shortcomings.
5. I'm just wondering if the Quran has any similar guidance for those of us living in metaphorical glass houses?
Revile not those unto whom they pray beside Allah lest they wrongfully revile Allah through ignorance.
Thus unto every nation have We made their deed seem fair.
Then unto their Lord is their return, and He will tell them what they used to do.
The likeness of those who choose other patrons than Allah is as the likeness of the spider when she taketh unto herself a house,
and lo! the frailest of all houses is the spider's house, if they but knew.
Is he who founded his building upon duty to Allah and His good pleasure better;
or he who founded his building on the brink of a crumbling,
overhanging precipice so that it toppled with him into the fire of hell? Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.
Lol, no time for a full length movie right now but say, when do y'all reckon that Messiah will come out of that Veitmanese land?
it is not a full length movie
it is only 10 minutes
the Messiah will not come out of that Veitmanese land
at the time of the antichrist Allah will send Jesus 'Eisa bin Maryam, who will come down at the white lighthouse in the east of Damascus,
this white lighthouse it can be within the city of Damascus to the east side or outside Damascus to the east.
Since the beginning of history, all those who have claimed to be prophets have been, at their worst, evasive, and at their best, suffering from psychological problems.
A person suffering from schizophrenia does not mean that he is crazy and irrational
He is fully rational, but he sees and hears things that are not apparent to anyone else.
The Mormon Church acknowledged that its founder, Joseph Smith, married about forty women, including Henry's 14-year-old girl and others who were wives of his followers, and retracted its insistence for two hundred years that he was married to only one woman.
another one is Paul
Fair point, Joseph Smith and Paul claimed to have their revelations from angels, whereas Muhammad ..., oh, wait.
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Christ, peace be upon him, died and did not dictate the Gospel to his disciples,
as the Prophet Muhammad - may God bless him and grant him peace - did.
Except Muhammad is the alleged messenger (like Paul and Joseph Smith), not the divine being, so your claim is just as valid as Paul and Joseph Smith passing the message on.
Also, the Christians DO claim the disciples DID record the words of Jesus.
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Originally Posted by truth_teller
Rather, he left his teachings in the hearts, and did not leave many followers, as his disciples - the Apostles - were twelve men, including Judas Iscariot, the traitor.
After him, they were subjected to severe persecution and dispersed throughout the country.
Immediately after the rise of Christ, peace be upon him, a man called (Saul) entered Christianity, and he was called after that ( Paul) [10 AD - 67 AD],
and he is the one who founded today's Christianity. Almost everything that exists today in Christianity goes back to “Paul the Apostle,” as they call him, as he is the true apostle of Christianity.
This man was Jewish by father and mother, extremely fanatical towards his religion,
studied philosophy under the most famous teachers of his time, had the greatest hatred for Christianity, and was veiled in hostility to this new religion.
He was a thief who robbed churches and synagogues overnight, and in a story that did not It is narrated by others, and the accounts of supporters as well as opponents conflict about it.
Paul was transformed into an “apostle” from “the Lord of Glory Jesus[1].”
He claimed that (the Lord Jesus) appeared to him on his way to Damascus and blamed him for his hostility to him and his followers, and ordered him to be his messenger to the people to speak to them with the tongue of Christ - peace be upon him.
Yes, the claim is the bad boy turned the good guy when he spoke to an angelic Jesus. Just like Joseph Smith spoke to Moroni.
Since the disciples were few, persecuted and dispersed, and the Jews were in control, Paul began to speak whatever he pleased. The title of “Apostle” was imposed on him, and he was not - not even for a single day - one of the disciples of Christ - peace be upon him -.
What did Paul do?!
He isolated Christ - peace be upon him - and made him a god to be worshiped with God, and he took on the role of the messenger.
With all the meanings of the word messenger, he was permitted and prohibited, and he wrote letters to the countries, and his letters were later included in the (Holy) Book. He created the most dangerous religious deviation known to humanity, which is what is known as Christianity today. . . All Christians venerate Paul, and he is to all of them a messenger from the Lord of Glory, Jesus.
. Just like Muhammad! It is the same basic story, Angel -> venerated messenger -> other people.
The Quran is a record of the exact words revealed by God through the Angel Gabriel to the Prophet Muhammad.
It was memorized by Muhammad and then dictated to his Companions, and written down by scribes, who cross-checked it during his lifetime.
Not one word of its 114 chapters, Suras, has been changed over the centuries,
so that the Quran is in every detail the unique and miraculous text which was revealed to Muhammad fourteen centuries ago.
Nonsense!
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. Just like Muhammad! It is the same basic story, Angel -> venerated messenger -> other people.