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What I want to hear from a Christian is an event they prayed for that happened (with evidence, of course) that scientists scratch their heads and say, "I cannot explain this." I did hear of something similar many years ago though I am not sure how solid the evidence is...
I think if you go back and review all the comments going back to the beginning of this thread, you will find at least one or two examples you ask for here.
It would be able to calculate the odds of your prayer being answered in the affirmative.
For instance it could calculate the odd of your "help me find my keys" prayer compared to a prayer for "perpetual world peace"... and everything in between.
We could call it the "Prayertaculus".
I like it, and I would be very interested to see what such a map would look like!
Let us know when your Prayertaculus is developed and ready for public viewing.
To feel liberated involves some sort of confinement or issue that feels restrictive. I have no such issue, so how is anything I do regarding this subject going to be very liberating for me? I simply "call 'em the way I see 'em," and the truth as I know it doesn't confine me or feel restrictive in any way.
it bothers you and troubles you to the point you ruminate and stew over it as evidenced and demonstrated by your many posts and many threads. it bothers you to the point you mock belittle patronize condescend criticize and denigrate.
prayer is not about probability.
any more than character development and self-improvement are about probability.
probability is passive.
prayer is active.
Probably more true than not, but the probability that something will happen as a result of something being done is always worthy of consideration when trying to establish cause and effect. The probability you will agree, for example, would seem fairly low given the opinions you typically express in this forum.
Probably more true than not, but the probability that something will happen as a result of something being done is always worthy of consideration when trying to establish cause and effect. The probability you will agree, for example, would seem fairly low given the opinions you typically express in this forum.
and that has nothing to do with prayer.
nothing stated above, has anything to do with prayer.
it (post above) is the mental equivalent of a dog running around in circles chasing its own tail,
and predictably goes nowhere.
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it bothers you and troubles you to the point you ruminate and stew over it as evidenced and demonstrated by your many posts and many threads. it bothers you to the point you mock belittle patronize condescend criticize and denigrate.
As I have explained many times before, spending a little time going back-and-forth about some of these topics is nothing more than a bit of entertainment for me before I get on with the rest of my day. Back-and-forth, the sharing of different opinions and perspectives, even disagreement and objection if/when it seems appropriate. Sometimes interesting. Sometimes informative and educational. Sometimes insightful. Sometimes humorous. Sometimes a little sad, frustrating and hard to figure, but mostly just a bit of fun is all. For me anyway.
I find your constant source of heartburn about my comments somewhat entertaining as well, as evidenced by my many posts and threads which it seems you are inclined to follow and address on an ongoing basis.
None of which bothers me as you seem to think. Also as explained many times before, nothing I read or experience as a result of this forum affects me much at all one way or another. I appreciate the good, and consider the bad and ugly without any of the emotional drama you are always injecting with your comments.
Your contributions are part of the entertainment, however, and for this I am grateful. Keep it coming!
and that has nothing to do with prayer.
nothing stated above, has anything to do with prayer.
it (post above) is the mental equivalent of a dog running around in circles chasing its own tail,
and predictably goes nowhere.
When my dog chases it's tail, which she does sometimes, she is always able to grab it. Why she bothers to do so, I don't know. I assume she is happy doing so, however, regardless whether you or I understand what she is doing or where she thinks she is going. For her anyway, it's not nowhere.
prayer is not about probability.
any more than character development and self-improvement are about probability.
probability is passive.
prayer is active.
That's correct. Prayer is not about probability, because there is no probability that prayer will be answered by a non-existent god. It's all random chance whether your prayer will come true.
When my dog chases it's tail, which she does sometimes, she is always able to grab it. Why she bothers to do so, I don't know. I assume she is happy doing so, however, regardless whether you or I understand what she is doing or where she thinks she is going. For her anyway, it's not nowhere.
so for you a dog chasing its tail makes sense and is reasonable. you leap to the defense of a dog and defend and champion the activity. even though you do not understand it.
but for you prayer does not make sense and you don't see it is reasonable. you denigrate and ridicule the activity. even though you do not understand it.
you hold dogs in such high regard as to say "for her anyway it's not nowhere."
but you do not hold people praying even with the same regard as you do a dog, and are unable to recognize "for them anyway it's not nowhere." duly noted. what is seen in your posts is respect and regard for a dog. contempt and ridicule for prayer.
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One is all and all is one and God is whole, one and all. Able to swing and land a hole in one every time!
Nah. He was always stuck over in a sand trap called Egypt.
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