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As we have repeatedly gone back and forth over the platitude expressed in the bold, I continue to wonder why you do not see the self-contradictory nature of it. Transcendence does not preclude nor does it exclude immanence, In fact, the centrality of existence precludes the (irrational to me) separation your platitude implies, IMO. Can you tell me exactly WHAT it IS (not names like ego, mind, etc.) ontologically that you believe needs to learn what it is NOT and WHY (while emanating FROM this "ultimate knowledge and awareness") it has this or any other deficit???
Existence is both transcendent and immanent. They are not mutually exclusive.
As we have repeatedly gone back and forth over the platitude expressed in the bold, I continue to wonder why you do not see the self-contradictory nature of it. Transcendence does not preclude nor does it exclude immanence, In fact, the centrality of existence precludes the (irrational to me) separation your platitude implies, IMO. Can you tell me exactly WHAT it IS (not names like ego, mind, etc.) ontologically that you believe needs to learn what it is NOT and WHY (while emanating FROM this "ultimate knowledge and awareness") it has this or any other deficit???
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Originally Posted by cb2008
Existence is both transcendent and immanent. They are not mutually exclusive.
That is what I said. This does not answer either question.
Can you restate your question? I am not sure I understand what is you want to know.
You may not have an answer, but you are so enamored by the definition you use that I cannot imagine what it IS that you think would need to learn what it is NOT! You correctly believe that God (existence, whatever) is awareness and knowledge so it knows everything. I am trying to understand WHY (and HOW) there could be anything that does NOT know and needs to learn what it is NOT. What is the purpose of it all? In my view, the purpose is reproduction so it makes sense that it would need to learn and mature. What is yours?
-- You correctly believe that God (existence, whatever) is awareness and knowledge so it knows everything. I am trying to understand WHY (and HOW) there could be anything that does NOT know and needs to learn what it is NOT. What is the purpose of it all? In my view, the purpose is reproduction so it makes sense that it would need to learn and mature. What is yours?
Existence not only knows everything it IS everything, is limitless, and always remains. And this is also the true essence of our own being; not our body, mind, intellect or ego - the one that thinks it is the doer. While all this exists, and operates, because of Existence, Existence is not all this. This needs to be understood, it is not common knowledge, it is not the way it seems to us.
The purpose of knowing this is a new way of being that is obtained through an enlightened view of what is important: that which leads to contentment and peace, to freedom. And to know what does not, and keeps you in a state of anxiety, and bound.
I don't quite understand what you mean by reproduction as the purpose of it all.
Existence not only knows everything it IS everything, is limitless, and always remains. And this is also the true essence of our own being; not our body, mind, intellect or ego - the one that thinks it is the doer. While all this exists, and operates, because of Existence, Existence is not all this. This needs to be understood, it is not common knowledge, it is not the way it seems to us.
The purpose of knowing this is a new way of being that is obtained through an enlightened view of what is important: that which leads to contentment and peace, to freedom. And to know what does not, and keeps you in a state of anxiety, and bound.
I don't quite understand what you mean by reproduction as the purpose of it all.
It is okay, you do not even see the issue ontologically which is why you can accept the definition as is as if it is a given and not to be questioned. I was pretty sure that was the case with you and Tzaph, so there is no way we can resolve our different perspectives. Neither of you even know what it is I have issues with.
You cannot accept my view of reproduction since you do not believe existence itself is ALIVE even though the only example or reference we have for awareness and consciousness exists in LIVING beings. Your view of awareness as some static, timeless, unchanging "who-knows-what" is completely irrational and inconceivable to me.
It is okay, you do not even see the issue ontologically which is why you can accept the definition as is as if it is a given and not to be questioned. I was pretty sure that was the case with you and Tzaph, so there is no way we can resolve our different perspectives. Neither of you even know what it is I have issues with.
You cannot accept my view of reproduction since you do not believe existence itself is ALIVE even though the only example or reference we have for awareness and consciousness exists in LIVING beings. Your view of awareness as some static, timeless, unchanging "who-knows-what" is completely irrational and inconceivable to me.
I dont accept anything that I don’t understand. i accept what helps and leads me to live a life free of anxiety and fear. I accept this is possible for everyone. If it seems otherwise to you, that does not concern me.
I neither accept nor reject your view of what you call reproduction because i dont understand what that is, nor what alive in caps mean.
Existence exists regardless of whether beings exist and it exists in all beings. It has no limitations, it is pure knowledge, and always IS. Existence is self-evident. It is is understood by a mind that is sharp and receptive, not clouded.
I dont accept anything that I don’t understand. i accept what helps and leads me to live a life free of anxiety and fear. I accept this is possible for everyone. If it seems otherwise to you, that does not concern me.
I neither accept nor reject your view of what you call reproduction because i dont understand what that is, nor what alive in caps mean.
Existence exists regardless of whether beings exist and it exists in all beings. It has no limitations, it is pure knowledge, and always IS. Existence is self-evident. It is is understood by a mind that is sharp and receptive, not clouded.
Would you care whether God exists or not, if you were never to die, never to get old n sick, and would never be a subject to hardships?
Would you still feel the need of God and worshipping him if you were not a subject?
Yes, indeed, because I love God more than anything else in the world. In the past, I have felt the presence of God (he is soul) and I communicate with Him all the time. Why do I call God - he/him - it's because I follow the true teachings of Jesus. And I do not believe Jesus is God.
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