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Old 08-01-2023, 07:11 PM
 
Location: Knoxville, TN
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Forgiveness is a central tenet of Christianity. It is not necessary for salvation, but it is something God insists we do. We say it every time we recite the Lord's Prayer. It is like the parable of the unforgiving debtor who's master forgives his massive debt, and then with complete ingratitude he tries to collect a tiny debt from his own servant rather than repeat in kind by forgiving his servant's miniscule debt. Like being forgiven a beam and then trying to collect a splinter.

It is just something we are expected to learn to do in the service of Christ.

Forgiveness is very much a cornerstone of Christianity.

What other religions treat forgiveness as a fundamental and necessary aspect of their faith? Must Jews forgive? Must Muslims forgive? Do Hindus or Buddhists?

I have never thought about it before, but it so important and central to Christianity, I am just wondering how widespread it is as a central tenet of faith among other religions?
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:05 PM
 
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Forgiveness is a central tenet of Christianity. It is not necessary for salvation, but it is something God insists we do. We say it every time we recite the Lord's Prayer. It is like the parable of the unforgiving debtor who's master forgives his massive debt, and then with complete ingratitude he tries to collect a tiny debt from his own servant rather than repeat in kind by forgiving his servant's miniscule debt. Like being forgiven a beam and then trying to collect a splinter.

It is just something we are expected to learn to do in the service of Christ.

Forgiveness is very much a cornerstone of Christianity.

What other religions treat forgiveness as a fundamental and necessary aspect of their faith? Must Jews forgive? Must Muslims forgive? Do Hindus or Buddhists?

I have never thought about it before, but it so important and central to Christianity, I am just wondering how widespread it is as a central tenet of faith among other religions?
Rather than forgiveness the Vedantic texts tell us to eschew revenge. Actions have consequences and Karma is a force that has to fructify. Forgiving is for Ishvara, mercy is his.
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Old 08-01-2023, 08:39 PM
 
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Forgiveness is a central tenet of Christianity. It is not necessary for salvation, but it is something God insists we do. We say it every time we recite the Lord's Prayer. It is like the parable of the unforgiving debtor who's master forgives his massive debt, and then with complete ingratitude he tries to collect a tiny debt from his own servant rather than repeat in kind by forgiving his servant's miniscule debt. Like being forgiven a beam and then trying to collect a splinter.

It is just something we are expected to learn to do in the service of Christ.

Forgiveness is very much a cornerstone of Christianity.

What other religions treat forgiveness as a fundamental and necessary aspect of their faith? Must Jews forgive? Must Muslims forgive? Do Hindus or Buddhists?

I have never thought about it before, but it so important and central to Christianity, I am just wondering how widespread it is as a central tenet of faith among other religions?
Yes for Judaism, necessary aspect for Jews:

"Acting beyond the letter of the law, we ought to forgive others even if they do not ask for, or even want, our forgiveness. In fact, in the prayer text of both many Ashkenazim and Sephardim (and Chabad too) before retiring for the night, we utter a declaration forgiving anyone who has offended us."

https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...o-wrong-us.htm
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Old 08-01-2023, 10:21 PM
 
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Yes for Judaism, necessary aspect for Jews:

"Acting beyond the letter of the law, we ought to forgive others even if they do not ask for, or even want, our forgiveness. In fact, in the prayer text of both many Ashkenazim and Sephardim (and Chabad too) before retiring for the night, we utter a declaration forgiving anyone who has offended us."

https://www.chabad.org/library/artic...o-wrong-us.htm
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Old 08-02-2023, 03:49 AM
 
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It's the main message in A Course In Miracles...but it is different than the usual Christian idea of forgiveness.
(A self study book that took 7 years for Jesus to give this message to a Jewish Columbia Univ professor in the '60s.)
Wild stuff, I suppose to many, LOL.

I don't recall the word forgiveness used in the Bhagavad Gita...never thought about that.
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Old 08-02-2023, 06:05 AM
 
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Forgiveness is a central tenet of Christianity. It is not necessary for salvation, but it is something God insists we do. We say it every time we recite the Lord's Prayer. It is like the parable of the unforgiving debtor who's master forgives his massive debt, and then with complete ingratitude he tries to collect a tiny debt from his own servant rather than repeat in kind by forgiving his servant's miniscule debt. Like being forgiven a beam and then trying to collect a splinter.

It is just something we are expected to learn to do in the service of Christ.

Forgiveness is very much a cornerstone of Christianity.

What other religions treat forgiveness as a fundamental and necessary aspect of their faith? Must Jews forgive? Must Muslims forgive? Do Hindus or Buddhists?

I have never thought about it before, but it so important and central to Christianity, I am just wondering how widespread it is as a central tenet of faith among other religions?
Can you provide a couple of examples that you have done or witnessed in your own life experiences?
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Old 08-02-2023, 06:47 AM
 
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It's the main message in A Course In Miracles...but it is different than the usual Christian idea of forgiveness.
(A self study book that took 7 years for Jesus to give this message to a Jewish Columbia Univ professor in the '60s.)
Wild stuff, I suppose to many, LOL.

I don't recall the word forgiveness used in the Bhagavad Gita...never thought about that.
Exactly. Only God forgives and can intercede in the force of karma. But we are always enabled to express compassion and to act selflessly. Altruism is another way of looking at forgiveness.
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Old 08-02-2023, 07:01 AM
 
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Can you provide a couple of examples that you have done or witnessed in your own life experiences?
I could but I don't suppose I need to.

Forgiveness is pretty self explanatory. I tried writing out some examples and they all seemed pretty lame written out, but they were instrumental to me.

I can certainly say that I have sinned and hated when I should have forgiven. I have felt vengeful, dreaming of retribution when I should have forgiven. I have stewed in anger, holding onto a grudge, when I should have forgiven. I ultimately forgave in all cases and was better off for it, but I was also motivated by my Christian belief. I didn't just wake up one morning and become Ghandi. Knowing that the Lord demanded me to forgive was behind it initially. You know, "fake it until you make it".

Now I understand the importance of forgiveness and how much better my life is to forgive than to hold onto the hate and spite and scorn.

It is incredible how often even a small slight can hurt your state of mind and mental health, and how much better your life is on a daily basis when you can forgive others. Take any case of road rage on the highway. How much better and more peaceful to just forgive some bad actor for cutting you off on the highway, than to give him the finger or honk your horn at him. Not only is it resulting in more violence today, but you never know when that inconsiderate person might be experiencing some genuine trauma or have some compelling reason for being so crass.

In any event, better to forgive than to escalate. It can be as simple as that. It doesn't have to be as dramatic as forgiving somebody for murdering a loved one.
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Old 08-03-2023, 08:59 AM
 
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Exactly. ..... Altruism is another way of looking at forgiveness.
Just between you and me, shhh....another way to look at forgiveness is there is nothing TO forgive.
(I mean when you see this is all Illusion and there is Only One Entity, shapeshifting looking like 'us', a tree, a planet".)
Sorry, I had an STE, a spiritually transcendent, transformative exp, first time at 8 years old...with my mouth dropped, I will add. And wow.
I know it is tuff for Left Brainers to understand this; it's how God made 'em..it's all perfect.
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Old 08-03-2023, 09:17 AM
 
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Just between you and me, shhh....another way to look at forgiveness is there is nothing TO forgive.
(I mean when you see this is all Illusion and there is Only One Entity, shapeshifting looking like 'us', a tree, a planet".)
Sorry, I had an STE, a spiritually transcendent, transformative exp, first time at 8 years old...with my mouth dropped, I will add. And wow.
I know it is tuff for Left Brainers to understand this; it's how God made 'em..it's all perfect.
Shhh, yess, nothing to forgive.
It is all perfect, the way it is meant to, yes to that.
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