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I never had control in lucid dreams. Then again I only had about half a dozen while I was practicing and I was just trying to maintain lucidity, however there was that same "knowing" within the dream that it was all unreal in and of itself. It was in fact nothing apart from me, and not the dream me.
Lucid Waking was kind of like that only there wasn't a dreamer in a bed that waking reality wasn't apart from. That was something else and just like perspective shifts in a lucid dream from the dream mind to the dreamer mind in Lucid Waking the shift in perspective is from local to non-local consciousness. At least that seems like a way to describe it. So mind and body were still there as was the external world, however perception shifted from mind-body to something else and mind-body was just as much an object to that perspective as was others and everything else. I was no longer a person moving through the world. The world (including mind-body me) was moving through "me", whatever "me" actually is.
You definitely get it! Clearly, it is something that must be experienced but the typical methods that will lead you there discourage retaining any "ego" or conscious control thereby preventing you from reaching that state under conscious control. I had no such constraints or preconceptions and was determined to retain conscious control to know what was real!
You definitely get it! Clearly, it is something that must be experienced but the typical methods that will lead you there discourage retaining any "ego" or conscious control thereby preventing you from reaching that state under conscious control. I had no such constraints or preconceptions and was determined to retain conscious control to know what was real!
Ten or so minutes of cause & effect, dream and waking reality, consciousness and a story about a king, a dream and a sage.
The spiritual realm exist along side the physical realm not up in the sky sitting on clouds.
The physical realm (including the sky, space, and everything else) exists in the same realm as the spiritual just at a much lower level of energy. The bulk of our Reality exists at the energy level of quanta rendering it beyond our macro-level science. Only our consciousness exists at the level of quanta, but we only have a delayed playback of it as captured by our brain at the physical level.
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I never had control in lucid dreams. Then again I only had about half a dozen while I was practicing and I was just trying to maintain lucidity, however there was that same "knowing" within the dream that it was all unreal in and of itself. It was in fact nothing apart from me, and not the dream me.
Lucid Waking was kind of like that only there wasn't a dreamer in a bed that waking reality wasn't apart from. That was something else and just like perspective shifts in a lucid dream from the dream mind to the dreamer mind in Lucid Waking the shift in perspective is from local to non-local consciousness. At least that seems like a way to describe it. So mind and body were still there as was the external world, however perception shifted from mind-body to something else and mind-body was just as much an object to that perspective as was others and everything else. I was no longer a person moving through the world. The world (including mind-body me) was moving through "me", whatever "me" actually is.
This is because in the methods you have been taught and conditioned to believe, you are supposed to abandon your "ego" or conscious control while withdrawing from the sensory system inputs. I refused to do so and retained conscious control no matter how deep my altered state was. Lucid dreaming is one of the earlier stages that gives you control over your dream content. It is only this ability to alter the content that tells you it is a dream and not reality. When you can't alter the content, it is real. That is what was so convincing and alarming when I encountered it. The form of "knowing" in that state is unmistakable and eliminates all doubt.
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Originally Posted by Freak80
Time to lay off the DMT.
I am tired of your constant attempts to imply my experiences were the result of some substance or drug! I have NEVER used any such substance. I value my intellect too much to ever risk interfering with its function. I have used alcohol in my youth but haven't for the last 50+ years for the same reason.
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Originally Posted by cb2008
I hate to say this but I think I agree.
I must say your more recent posts (especially between you and Phet) are not at all like you and do not speak well of your Advaita devotion. IMO.
I must say your more recent posts (especially between you and Phet) are not at all like you and do not speak well of your Advaita devotion. IMO.
Not to make it personal... I think, I already pointed it out that CB changed.
Which is good. Our quest for unknown should never fall into the rigid frame of certain dogma. Years back, I was sure, I found the ultimate answer. I still keep finding new aspects of this and that..... that prove, that I indeed did find the ultimate answer.... what makes it soooooo cool!
I am tired of your constant attempts to imply my experiences were the result of some substance or drug! I have NEVER used any such substance. I value my intellect too much to ever risk interfering with its function. I have used alcohol in my youth but haven't for the last 50+ years for the same reason.
You deserve a pat on the back for keeping it clean all of your life. Not many can say that.
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I must say your more recent posts (especially between you and Phet) are not at all like you and do not speak well of your Advaita devotion. IMO.
Or, maybe you're witnessing something through different lenses and seeing what we have all seen about this poster all along. It is not just your opinion.
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