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As far as making stuff up...do you mean like three-headed elephant gods?
Yes there’s a bit of a stereotype with Buddhists as being extreme pacifists, deeply entranced in mediation and peaceful pursuits etc.
Maybe it’s a Hollywood or celebrity thing, of those that dabble in Buddhism.
The opposite of an aggressive, controlling religion like Scientology, that also attracts high profile celebrities.
But thanks for your insights into this religion.
Yes there’s a bit of a stereotype with Buddhists as being extreme pacifists, deeply entranced in mediation and peaceful pursuits etc.
Maybe it’s a Hollywood or celebrity thing, of those that dabble in Buddhism.
The opposite of an aggressive, controlling religion like Scientology, that also attracts high profile celebrities.
But thanks for your insights into this religion.
This may seem plausible only from a single lifespan standpoint.
From that of many many existences, perspective changes.
Problem with the human perception is that it is very limited, to single life. While one karma, action, may manifest itself many lives later.
After all, cosmos and us in it, is a very complex interveined structure. It takes very precise congruence of many factors, for karmaic action to finally manifests itself into a physical event of some sort. So that the fine fabric of cosmos and order in it is not interrupted.
So a bit like god, then, karma isn't usually observable.
It's kind of like how when a wrong is committed, and justice isn't served until years or decades later, as well as possibly after the victim's death and that of their loved ones ... so no one who actually cares ever sees justice done. "Justice delayed is justice denied", as the saying goes.
Passivity never occurred to me about Buddhists, just calmness and peacefulness.
Sometimes people struggle with the concept of acceptance that Buddhism teaches. It is difficult at first to understand how that doesn't equate to passivity, or even indifference. As I understand it, though (Phet or other Buddhists will probably do a better job than I of explaining it), nothing in Buddhism encourages not advocating for or helping those who are disadvantaged or wronged, not taking active steps to do what can be done. It is more about not worrying or obsessing over things you can't control, rather taking the position that there's nothing at all in your scope of ability that you might be obligated to do.
It is not something you'd come to overnight though; we're used to "venting" / being outraged as a release and I'm given to understand that Buddhism isn't about repressing your feelings but changing your view of things so that you are less perturbable to begin with.
So a bit like god, then, karma isn't usually observable.
It's kind of like how when a wrong is committed, and justice isn't served until years or decades later, as well as possibly after the victim's death and that of their loved ones ... so no one who actually cares ever sees justice done. "Justice delayed is justice denied", as the saying goes.
Vengence does not belong to Divinity, only to the linited human mind and emotions. This is why Buddha taught karuna, compassion, not vengence. Justice is a limited human concept, karma is cosmic. As long as we have to deal with this world that we have created, we try to form a civil society. Is no way or form is that perfect, because humans are not perfect. The cosmic order works its own way and is not bound by the capriciousness of humans.
Vengence does not belong to Divinity, only to the linited human mind and emotions. This is why Buddha taught karuna, compassion, not vengence. Justice is a limited human concept, karma is cosmic. As long as we have to deal with this world that we have created, we try to form a civil society. Is no way or form is that perfect, because humans are not perfect. The cosmic order works its own way and is not bound by the capriciousness of humans.
But nobody has been talking about vengeance, until YOU brought it up.
Karma is not cosmic. It is cause and effect. You have the mistaken impression that karma is cosmic justice.
So a bit like god, then, karma isn't usually observable.
It's kind of like how when a wrong is committed, and justice isn't served until years or decades later, as well as possibly after the victim's death and that of their loved ones ... so no one who actually cares ever sees justice done. "Justice delayed is justice denied", as the saying goes.
Well, not exactly. I think, you intentionally over exaggerating and twisting what was said, to match your opinion previously expressed. And I think, you are confusing justice with revenge.
As I said, it depends. Some acts can be exteriorized into their consecutive results instantly. Took me only about 3 hours to be badly punished, for the rest of my life, for taking a blunt tipped knife at a guy. And I am not talking police and such. I am talking about being hit with an industrial cultivator, across my face, what almost killed me, should it hit 2 inches to the right, in the temple, not across my nose. I am paying for this with impaired breathing and disfigured face since 1986.
Exteriorization of karmaic action is a very complex process, it requires major celestial alignment to occur.Sometimes, it occurs instantly. Sometimes, when conditions are ripe.
Also, how do you know, what is punishment and what is blessing? All this is more than relative and humane. As it's been said - thou shan't judge, as you have no measure. You still think in very narrow categories of one life and in very narrow categories of your indoctrination of what good and bad is. Acupuncture principles were discovered by a guy, being shot with an arrow, with intention to kill him, but shooter missed and hit his leg. Guy suffered from terrible migraines, but after arrow penetrated certain nerve nexus in his leg, pain vanished. What is bad and what is good here?
True justice may be served only by one, who knows all repercussions of any action, no matter how small, through generations to come. Who has such knowledge, if not godlike creature? And then - who else has any right to judge?
Here's The Law
This is the law: Every thing existing on the physical
plane is an exteriorization of a thought, which must be balanced through the one who issued the thought, and in
accordance with that one’s responsibility, at the conjunction
of time, condition, and place. This law of thought is destiny. It has aspects which have
been expressed by such terms as kismet, nemesis, karma,
fate, fortune, foreordination, predestination, Providence, the
Will of God, the law of cause and effect, the law of causation,
retribution, punishment and reward, hell and heaven.
maybe, before reflectively responding with something, think about it? As it is one and only law, that universe operates on.
Well, not exactly. I think, you intentionally over exaggerating and twisting what was said, to match your opinion previously expressed. And I think, you are confusing justice with revenge.
As I said, it depends. Some acts can be exteriorized into their consecutive results instantly. Took me only about 3 hours to be badly punished, for the rest of my life, for taking a blunt tipped knife at a guy. And I am not talking police and such. I am talking about being hit with an industrial cultivator, across my face, what almost killed me, should it hit 2 inches to the right, in the temple, not across my nose. I am paying for this with impaired breathing and disfigured face since 1986.
Exteriorization of karmaic action is a very complex process, it requires major celestial alignment to occur.Sometimes, it occurs instantly. Sometimes, when conditions are ripe.
Also, how do you know, what is punishment and what is blessing? All this is more than relative and humane. As it's been said - thou shan't judge, as you have no measure. You still think in very narrow categories of one life and in very narrow categories of your indoctrination of what good and bad is. Acupuncture principles were discovered by a guy, being shot with an arrow, with intention to kill him, but shooter missed and hit his leg. Guy suffered from terrible migraines, but after arrow penetrated certain nerve nexus in his leg, pain vanished. What is bad and what is good here?
True justice may be served only by one, who knows all repercussions of any action, no matter how small, through generations to come. Who has such knowledge, if not godlike creature? And then - who else has any right to judge?
Here's The Law
This is the law: Every thing existing on the physical
plane is an exteriorization of a thought, which must be balanced through the one who issued the thought, and in
accordance with that one’s responsibility, at the conjunction
of time, condition, and place. This law of thought is destiny. It has aspects which have
been expressed by such terms as kismet, nemesis, karma,
fate, fortune, foreordination, predestination, Providence, the
Will of God, the law of cause and effect, the law of causation,
retribution, punishment and reward, hell and heaven.
maybe, before reflectively responding with something, think about it? As it is one and only law, that universe operates on.
There is NO way that you can prove that what happened to you had anything to do with karma.
And any idea that karma is a "law" is unsupportable beyond personal opinion.
Sometimes people struggle with the concept of acceptance that Buddhism teaches. It is difficult at first to understand how that doesn't equate to passivity, or even indifference. As I understand it, though (Phet or other Buddhists will probably do a better job than I of explaining it), nothing in Buddhism encourages not advocating for or helping those who are disadvantaged or wronged, not taking active steps to do what can be done. It is more about not worrying or obsessing over things you can't control, rather taking the position that there's nothing at all in your scope of ability that you might be obligated to do.
It is not something you'd come to overnight though; we're used to "venting" / being outraged as a release and I'm given to understand that Buddhism isn't about repressing your feelings but changing your view of things so that you are less perturbable to begin with.
I guess so, I was against Buddhism as a christian even though I didn't really know anything about it. It's so great to learn from some of the proponents of their religion. Haha that's funny I need your help right now if you're still here. Incoming thread.
Concerning Karma and the Buddhist take, how is the circle squared between no-self and transmigration/reincarnation? If there is no-self what transmigrates? Could it be as simple as misinterpretation, i.e. not-self vs. no-self?
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