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Old 02-13-2023, 07:55 AM
 
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No, I don't, and don't understand the need for groups, or the somewhat twisted morals, and Satanic chanting.
so then it sounds like you are not only against freedom of religion, but are against religion altogether.
that is a problem right there.

and that you can't see why it is a problem, is an even bigger problem.

I'm not sure what country you live in, but in the USA there is the Constitution and the First Amendment gives us: "First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"


The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says that everyone in the United States has the right to practice their own religion, or no religion at all. It sounds like you are against that.

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Old 02-13-2023, 08:26 AM
 
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A straight question, no dodging please: if this Being of Light loves us so much then why doesn't he reveal himself and then do something about all the pain and suffering down here?
I can't say "he" hasn't revealed himself. Much of the pain and suffering is down to religion anyway.
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:33 AM
 
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so then it sounds like you are not only against freedom of religion, but are against religion altogether.
that is a problem right there.

and that you can't see why it is a problem, is an even bigger problem.

I'm not sure what country you live in, but in the USA there is the Constitution and the First Amendment gives us: "First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble"


The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution says that everyone in the United States has the right to practice their own religion, or no religion at all. It sounds like you are against that.
More about, why anyone needs an organized religion, when religions, have some strange moral codes, and a whole load of assumptions. I mean, why must we all be sinners, be forever asking for forgiveness, and be forgiving? Why must we accept others to be better than ourselves? Why look at everything in nature, as though it were put there to be our our play thing, or our commodity to strip?
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:34 AM
 
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Religion can be a cause of problems, especially when mixed with mental health issues, politics, or people seeking a tool to gain (or abuse) power.

Then there are religions that codify false information and dubious moral laws, and create an 'us and them' system that creates division that can lead to wars.

But religion often provides comfort, security, and a sense of belonging. The picture is neither simple nor black and white.
I can't agree more.
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:35 AM
 
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If I were to offer you the idea of the belief in God, but with no connection to religious teachings, of any kind, would that be acceptable?

Not a being that humans are created in the image of, but a being of light and unbelievable love.

To atheists, is it the religion part that causes problems?

Just questions, but maybe an answer too.
To some extent this is how I define my own spirituality.

While I was raised Baptist, I have been exposed to other religions in school and personal study. I no longer follow one specific "religion", but I do believe in God and Jesus. So there is connection to religious teachings but not as a set of rules or dogma.

Some parts of my belief I can't explain and I guess that's how it should be (IMO). God is not explainable in some ways.

I saw something the other day that was simple but profound (for me) it said God has no religion. It made sense to me because God has always been...before religions were even invented.

I also really liked the definition of Omnism - the belief that no religion is truth but that truth is found within them all.
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:43 AM
 
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If I were to offer you the idea of the belief in God, but with no connection to religious teachings, of any kind, would that be acceptable?


Not a being that humans are created in the image of, but a being of light and unbelievable love.


To atheists, is it the religion part that causes problems?


Just questions, but maybe an answer too.
The part that "causes problems" to this atheist is that there is no [even close to] conclusive evidence of the tales.
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:54 AM
 
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The part that "causes problems" to this atheist is that there is no [even close to] conclusive evidence of the tales.
Admittedly, I see religion as a marketing ploy, to gain wealth, power, land, and to keep people producing and consuming as they've been taught to.



Now, forget religion, could you accept God, if God were to come to you, and let you feel the love?
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:54 AM
 
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More about, why anyone needs an organized religion, when religions, have some strange moral codes, and a whole load of assumptions. I mean, why must we all be sinners, be forever asking for forgiveness, and be forgiving? Why must we accept others to be better than ourselves? Why look at everything in nature, as though it were put there to be our our play thing, or our commodity to strip?
Excellent questions.
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:55 AM
 
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To some extent this is how I define my own spirituality.

While I was raised Baptist, I have been exposed to other religions in school and personal study. I no longer follow one specific "religion", but I do believe in God and Jesus. So there is connection to religious teachings but not as a set of rules or dogma.

Some parts of my belief I can't explain and I guess that's how it should be (IMO). God is not explainable in some ways.

I saw something the other day that was simple but profound (for me) it said God has no religion. It made sense to me because God has always been...before religions were even invented.

I also really liked the definition of Omnism - the belief that no religion is truth but that truth is found within them all.
the bolded...that's very convenient
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Old 02-13-2023, 08:59 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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Admittedly, I see religion as a marketing ploy, to gain wealth, power, land, and to keep people producing and consuming as they've been taught to.



Now, forget religion, could you accept God, if God were to come to you, and let you feel the love?
sure...but apparently he's in another town...the town of Inabsentia
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