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Old 01-05-2023, 09:12 PM
 
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As Christian, I feel hypocritical celebrating much of what christmas has become.
It always was what it is: the non-biblical celebration of the Saturnalia just with Bible names/stories attached to it.
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Old 01-05-2023, 09:17 PM
 
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What?! And not make all that money from Christmas shopping?.......................
Fret not, because soon once the political surprisingly turns on the religious then the commercial merchants will morn the loss of Christendom (so-called Christian).
Not because of the loss of any life but the loss of $$$$$$ revenue - Revelation 18:11-19
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Old 01-06-2023, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Fret not, because soon once the political surprisingly turns on the religious then the commercial merchants will morn the loss of Christendom (so-called Christian).
Not because of the loss of any life but the loss of $$$$$$ revenue - Revelation 18:11-19
For once I at least partly agree with you.

At some point the merchant class runs out of junk to sell people, and people run out of money to buy it. That will be the end of Christmas as a significant cultural phenomenon; it won't be because of some imagined "war on Christmas" or some undermining of the church. A few die hards will (if they can even get Christmas off from work anymore) try to maintain some sort of strictly religious observance around it but I predict that on the whole it will pass from the earth altogether.
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Old 01-07-2023, 01:29 PM
 
Location: Florida
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It always was what it is: the non-biblical celebration of the Saturnalia just with Bible names/stories attached to it.
I'm under no illusion that 12/25 is the real birth date.

And I would be overjoyed to see a celebration that actually is about his miraculous birth. Pick a date. Any date.

It's not about sleighs, reindeer, elves and the like. Or about enriching retailers and others who monetize the " holiday".

The holiday looks more like a tribute to Disneyland.

IMO, it has been utterly perverted.
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Old 01-07-2023, 08:21 PM
 
Location: Townsville
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Are at least some of you aware that Christmas is not just celebrated in the U.S. ...that countries other than America DO exist, the nationals of which also celebrate Christmas?

Just wondering.
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Old 01-08-2023, 09:20 AM
 
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I'm under no illusion that 12/25 is the real birth date.

And I would be overjoyed to see a celebration that actually is about his miraculous birth. Pick a date. Any date.

It's not about sleighs, reindeer, elves and the like. Or about enriching retailers and others who monetize the " holiday".

The holiday looks more like a tribute to Disneyland.

IMO, it has been utterly perverted.
I think humans have a need to acknowledge celestial events. St. John the Baptist Day is the summer solstice and Christmas is the winter solstice.

I guess you could flip them around, but it only means that north of the equator Christmas would be in summer. South of the equator Christmas would be in winter.

It's only perverted if you buy into commercialism. It's a choice you make.

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Are at least some of you aware that Christmas is not just celebrated in the U.S. ...that countries other than America DO exist, the nationals of which also celebrate Christmas?

Just wondering.
The above^^^ and I would add - a surprising lack understanding of Christianity theology.

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Old 01-08-2023, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Coastal Georgia
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We are all actually free to celebrate whenever we want.

I saw Cardinal Dolan on tv and he said something interesting. Imagine how afraid people must have been, hundreds of years ago, when winter was coming. Would they have enough food and firewood to get through the winter? He said that the people needed an excuse to be hopeful, and something to rejoice over. That’s why Christmas is in December, rather than the spring.
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Old 01-08-2023, 10:25 AM
 
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This idea of mine was brought on watching all the stranded people in airports for DAYS!
Then the airlines losing so much money....hurts our economy more!
I get why December was chosen.
But now, C'mon.
We have Thanksgiving in the US...then New Years, then Valentine's Day, then Easter...We don't really 'need' a December 'anything'.

Just my opinion....when it causes such havoc! No big deal. I know it will never change...BUT, MQ is correct - if I had family that I didn't want
to be hassled traveling ...We could change it to June or Oct!
Then watch all the other people be in lines for 4 hrs and sleeping in airports....and feel sad for the crowds, I guess.
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Old 01-08-2023, 12:51 PM
 
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This idea of mine was brought on watching all the stranded people in airports for DAYS!
Then the airlines losing so much money....hurts our economy more!
I get why December was chosen.
But now, C'mon.
We have Thanksgiving in the US...then New Years, then Valentine's Day, then Easter...We don't really 'need' a December 'anything'.

Just my opinion....when it causes such havoc! No big deal. I know it will never change...BUT, MQ is correct - if I had family that I didn't want
to be hassled traveling ...We could change it to June or Oct!
Then watch all the other people be in lines for 4 hrs and sleeping in airports....and feel sad for the crowds, I guess.
Also, normally most of the USA doesn't have big snowstorms in December. I am in Canada, though, and while we have not had much snow so far in the GTA, B.C. got whacked with an unusual huge snowstorm, and then the USA got hit right after, which closed a lot of airports and set a lot of delays in motion. That timing is pretty rare.
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Old 01-08-2023, 06:58 PM
 
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This idea of mine was brought on watching all the stranded people in airports for DAYS!
Then the airlines losing so much money....hurts our economy more!
I get why December was chosen.
But now, C'mon.
We have Thanksgiving in the US...then New Years, then Valentine's Day, then Easter...We don't really 'need' a December 'anything'.

Just my opinion....when it causes such havoc! No big deal. I know it will never change...BUT, MQ is correct - if I had family that I didn't want
to be hassled traveling ...We could change it to June or Oct!
Then watch all the other people be in lines for 4 hrs and sleeping in airports....and feel sad for the crowds, I guess.
This Forbes article lists the longest plane delays in history and none involve snow. Unfortunately it doesn't list, 9/11 after airports were grounded. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesas...h=5911be4738a5

The top ten airports with significant delays that are not affected by snow.

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These 10 U.S. Airports Have The Most Flight Delays and Cancelations

Dallas/Fort Worth International airport ranked number 3 on the list, with 20.77% of flights delayed or canceled between July 2019 and July 2021.

This airport is located halfway between the two cities and serves more than 73 million passengers a year. DFW offers flights to 192 domestic and 67 international destinations. DFW is the fifth-busiest airport in the world in terms of operations.

Palm Beach International Airport, FL ranked number 4 on the list. This airport is located 2.5 miles west from downtown West Palm Beach. It has easy accessibility from all of South Florida. Palm Beach International Airport ranked number 8 on the Condé Nast Traveler’s 2019 Readers’ Choice Awards, ranked the 5th Best Medium Sized Airport in the J.D. Power North American Airport Satisfaction Study and the 8th Best Domestic Airport by Travel and Leisure.

Despite these good reviews, the airport had 19.76% of flights that were delayed or cancelled.

Louis Armstrong New Orleans International Airport tied with Boston Logan International Airport, ranking number 6 on the list, with 19.39% of flights that were delayed or cancelled between July 2019 and July 2021.

In 2019, the airport received over 13 million travelers, according to its official data.

The largest airport in Florida, Orlando International Airport, is ranked number 8 on the list. It is located six miles southeast of Downtown Orlando. It has over 850 daily flights on 44 airlines. The airport also serves 135 domestic and international destinations.

19.22% of flights into this airport are either delayed or canceled.

San Antonio International Airport (SAT) is ranked number 9 on the list. It is located approximately 8 miles north of downtown San Antonio. This airport serves Texas’ second most populous city. It is considered a Texan hub for flights to domestic and Mexican destinations.

The airport received 10.4 million passengers in 2019, and 19.03% of flights were delayed or canceled.
https://travelnoire.com/airports-mos...ys-ancelations

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Also, normally most of the USA doesn't have big snowstorms in December. I am in Canada, though, and while we have not had much snow so far in the GTA, B.C. got whacked with an unusual huge snowstorm, and then the USA got hit right after, which closed a lot of airports and set a lot of delays in motion. That timing is pretty rare.
Agreed. My daughter's flight was on December 23rd and even with the storm approaching, she didn't have any travel delays.
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