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Old 09-11-2022, 10:16 AM
 
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I read but cannot link to a story where a US judge re moved a ban on drilling in a ten square mile section of northern Montana.

The piece of land is sacred to the Blackfeet and Blackfoot nations as it is supposedly the site of creation in their myth/religion. The Blackfeet have been trying to get the land declared a historical site.

Does the indigenous peoples religions deserve as much respect and protection as your own religion?
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Old 09-11-2022, 11:40 AM
 
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I read but cannot link to a story where a US judge re moved a ban on drilling in a ten square mile section of northern Montana.

The piece of land is sacred to the Blackfeet and Blackfoot nations as it is supposedly the site of creation in their myth/religion. The Blackfeet have been trying to get the land declared a historical site.

Does the indigenous peoples religions deserve as much respect and protection as your own religion?
I would ask a different question.

Pick an 'American religion'.

Which American religions have tried to designate thousands and thousands of acres as sacred where no development could take place? I can't think of any.

Why should one particular group -- American Indians -- be able to do so?
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Old 09-11-2022, 11:57 AM
 
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I would ask a different question.

Pick an 'American religion'.

Which American religions have tried to designate thousands and thousands of acres as sacred where no development could take place? I can't think of any.

Why should one particular group -- American Indians -- be able to do so?
Because their religion originated in the States and the Blackfeet live close to that Tracy of land. And the American government did not heed the advice or requests of the natives in deciding what land to set aside when give a reserve isn exchange for a huge swath of land. And which other religions view land the way the native people did or do.
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Old 09-11-2022, 12:08 PM
 
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Because their religion originated in the States and the Blackfeet live close to that Tracy of land. And the American government did not heed the advice or requests of the natives in deciding what land to set aside when give a reserve isn exchange for a huge swath of land. And which other religions view land the way the native people did or do.
I don't one religion should be treated any differently than any other religion.
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Old 09-11-2022, 12:58 PM
 
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I don't one religion should be treated any differently than any other religion.
I don't think it's an issue of special treatment.

Christianity holds certain things sacred, and out of respect, to the extent possible, the government at all levels does not desecrate the things it holds sacred. We should do the same for native peoples.
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Old 09-11-2022, 01:10 PM
 
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I don't think it's an issue of special treatment.

Christianity holds certain things sacred, and out of respect, to the extent possible, the government at all levels does not desecrate the things it holds sacred. We should do the same for native peoples.
I guess we just disagree.
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Old 09-11-2022, 01:50 PM
 
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I read but cannot link to a story where a US judge re moved a ban on drilling in a ten square mile section of northern Montana.The piece of land is sacred to the Blackfeet and Blackfoot nations as it is supposedly the site of creation in their myth/religion. The Blackfeet have been trying to get the land declared a historical site.Does the indigenous peoples religions deserve as much respect and protection as your own religion?
of course

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Old 09-11-2022, 01:57 PM
 
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I read but cannot link to a story where a US judge re moved a ban on drilling in a ten square mile section of northern Montana.

The piece of land is sacred to the Blackfeet and Blackfoot nations as it is supposedly the site of creation in their myth/religion. The Blackfeet have been trying to get the land declared a historical site.

Does the indigenous peoples religions deserve as much respect and protection as your own religion?
Here is a link to the story, although maybe not your link:

https://globalnews.ca/news/9119034/m...ase-blackfoot/
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Old 09-11-2022, 02:07 PM
 
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I read but cannot link to a story where a US judge re moved a ban on drilling in a ten square mile section of northern Montana.

The piece of land is sacred to the Blackfeet and Blackfoot nations as it is supposedly the site of creation in their myth/religion. The Blackfeet have been trying to get the land declared a historical site.

Does the indigenous peoples religions deserve as much respect and protection as your own religion?
I'm of the opinion that no religion should be held exalted, and although I am empathetic to First Nations, I don't see their beliefs to be any more valid than any other ones.

Now, give me an ecological or environmental reason for that area to be exempt from drilling, I'm all over that. And I suspect, that is much, much easier to prove than something imaginary.

So, I don't consider that land having special rights, nor the Kaaba in Mecca, nor the Al-Aqsa Mosque or Wailing Wall in Jerusalem, nor the burial site of the three Kings in Cologne, nor Palmyra for Mormons, nor any other such places.

The problem is, billions of adherents to their favorite spiritual fantasies will disagree, and some of them violently. Society therefore has agreed to keep the peace, they would recognize those "sacred" places. As such, yes, the area of Montana should have the same respect given to all the other places whose myths have grown over time.
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Old 09-11-2022, 02:08 PM
 
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Here is a link to the story, although maybe not your link:

https://globalnews.ca/news/9119034/m...ase-blackfoot/
I think it was from a Global News item.

Thw blackfoot are in my region. As are the Cree.

Not sure if the oil company would consider directional drilling. Tje Blackfoot of course have no standing in an American court but the Blackfeet sure should.

As an aside kind of funny how Blackfoot/ Blackfeet and Tipi / teepee changes over the Medicine Line/ 49 Parallel.

Phet not for special treatment but for equal respect. Lots of cemetaries have roads re routed around them or lands exchanged. Of this is where the World was created it would be much more important than a cenetary, church or small oil lease.
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