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Yes... some bad people in those very large Organizations...as would figure.
Kinda like the public school system...only it isn't mandatory to send your kid to Church.
The Baptists, overall, are known for their great leaders, that did so, so much good...like Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King.
Of course there are fine and noble Baptists. And I would remind you that this thread (unlike another) is to point out both sides of the story.
But I would remind you that the Southern Baptists have formally apologized for their role in slavery and Jim Crow...not that the apology does anything at all for those who suffered under it.
And address the slam YOU initiated, that I responded to.
The modalities you noted negatively, caused 140 deaths...I responded that the modalities that they supposedly neglected to provide caused over 200,000 deaths. Why would you bust on the protocols that killed 140...but not the ones that caused 200,000+?
Because the topic in this thread is not 'the field or American medicine', but is 'Religion...'. If you want to discuss negatives about America's health profession, I'm sure there's a sub-forum where that's appropriate.
Because the topic in this thread is not 'the field or American medicine', but is 'Religion...'. If you want to discuss negatives about America's health profession, I'm sure there's a sub-forum where that's appropriate.
The article YOU posted noted the "neglect" to use a system of treatment that has caused 200,000++ deaths per year...and instead used a treatment method that has caused less than 200 deaths in 20 years.
Sounds kinda biased to me.
So...let's get all the facts straight.
Though I figured you'd employ some method of running away when you were called on it. And...true to form........
Of course there are fine and noble Baptists. And I would remind you that this thread (unlike another) is to point out both sides of the story.
But I would remind you that the Southern Baptists have formally apologized for their role in slavery and Jim Crow...not that the apology does anything at all for those who suffered under it.
To be fair, the individuals who apologized are also not the ones that perpetuated it.
To be fair, the individuals who apologized are also not the ones that perpetuated it.
Very true. But I do admire the church for officially apologizing...not an easy thing to do. But at the same time, the apology does no good for those who suffered back then.
Of course there are fine and noble Baptists. And I would remind you that this thread (unlike another) is to point out both sides of the story.
But I would remind you that the Southern Baptists have formally apologized for their role in slavery and Jim Crow...not that the apology does anything at all for those who suffered under it.
Okay...since I am a Human Being, I formally apologize for any and every "bad" thing that the members of my group (Homo Sapiens), past, present, and future have done or will do. Not that it will do anything at all for anyone...but....
Now...everyone apologize...hurry up!
Okay...since I am a Human Being, I formally apologize for any and every "bad" thing that the members of my group (Homo Sapiens), past, present, and future have done or will do. Not that it will do anything at all for anyone...but....
Now...everyone apologize...hurry up!
lol my neighbor is like that. He said "I am looking at it historically. I said, Oh, I apologize, I didn't know you did those evil things back then, why are you putting my grand children in danger for what you did?
Lmao ... the standard answer ... he said "you aint listening". I laughed and said "Yeah, its me alright."
I have been involved off and on with different church/religion run soup kitchens/food pantries over the years, and not one has included any requirement of church attendance, listening to a sermon, or even having to wait for a prayer over the food. Food is just given.
That doesn't mean it doesn't happen, but I've never seen it.
I do know a story from a friend's mother, now deceased, who said that back during the Depression she and her sister were sent to the aunt and uncle's home to live, and they were told to go to the Salvation Army to get their dinner. Before they were fed, they had to sing Onward, Christian Soldiers, the SA's theme song, for the person in charge. That was creepy.
I've been involved with the Food Bank as a volunteer, and I saw a lot of this kind of offering without "strings attached" at churches for all practical purposes, but it really doesn't work that way...
Whatever gets people "in the door" is how most churches operate, and of course once you are in there is all the literature and whatever else the church does to lure or gain followers. No one really needs to offer tithings either, but of course anyone with "deep pockets" who happens to become a follower can leave a great deal of money to the church.
"Not that there is anything wrong with that!"
Hardly different from how you can nibble some foods for free at Costco. Those companies are not giving away that food for free out of the goodness of their heart however...
Another thread wants to discuss the good that religion does. No balance. I'd like this thread to provide a balance.
For example:
Many people who are involved in organized religion contribute time to projects that improve the community. They volunteer in soup kitchens for the homeless, and many of those soup kitchens are actually developed by churches. Others volunteer in Meals On Wheels and similar organizations.
On the other hand, the concept of a “Chosen People”. Christians seem to often believe they are. Calvinists have the concept of “God’s elect”. Jehovah’s Witnesses talk about only 144,000 people will go to a special place after they die.
Of course there are fine and noble Baptists. And I would remind you that this thread (unlike another) is to point out both sides of the story.
But I would remind you that the Southern Baptists have formally apologized for their role in slavery and Jim Crow...not that the apology does anything at all for those who suffered under it.
Some of the people who comment in this forum also remind me of how politics is going in America these days. It has got to the point that one side or the other is so unwilling to "give an inch" because the other side will also be unbalanced in the opposite direction with even an inch. Objective reason and balance are just not possible for some people when it comes to the topic of this thread as well. In part this is how and why confirmation bias tends to rule the day rather than the sort of balance you seem wanting to strike here.
Good luck with all that!
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