To believe or not believe, in miracles. (Buddhism, Buddha, church)
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The mistake you all make is standard...equating "Faith" (Religious Faith) to believing all the ancient Books and writings are literally true....and not metaphorical and allegorical. And all your unending finger pointing at that, replete with all the mocking interrogation falsely claimed to be "sincere inquiry".
This is where you get all the insulting and mocking "lost keys", "restore lost limbs", and even the age old, bogus Problem of Evil/ Suffering arguments.
But the "fact" you all either avoid, or get all tweaked-out over...is that all those writings tell of this "predisposition to believe" you note....they allegorically say things like "God has written upon our heart" or similar to describe this "predisposition".
And this is why many of the greatest minds to ever exist, and in 2022 in a world full of educated, sophisticated people...the VAST majority can distinctly perceive the existence of God.
It's sad that your faith is so weak that you are so afraid of what you perceive of as "insulting" and "mocking interrogation".
I agree. This is why upbringing is so important. We need to predispose our children to believe, as was done for me.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
No, we need to teach our children to evaluate claims for themselves.
These two things are not mutually exclusive. In fact, they go hand in hand.
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Originally Posted by EscAlaMike
Divine Truth has been revealed to mankind. That's a "fact", to use your terminology. If we have faith, we will assent to it. If we do not have faith, then we will not. That's why it's so important to cultivate the virtue of faith in our lives, so that we will be able to assent to it when it is presented to us.
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Originally Posted by Harry Diogenes
Except your divine truth is different to that of other religions.
There is no "my" divine truth and "your" divine truth. There is only Divine Truth, period.
It's our responsibility to seek it out. Christ has promised that if we seek, we will find; and I've seen His faithfulness to that promise personally.
For some, it was passed down to them as an inheritance. They are responsible for what they do with it.
I think that young people should be raised to think for themselves, not treated as property to be manipuated.
I agree. I have never suggested what you're saying.
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
All of the things you just said about "truth' wouldn't apply to your thinking if you had been born in many other places in the world. So there's no valid critical thinking involved.
Yes it would. Divine Truth is not contingent on geography or on my own individual perspective.
I agree. I have never suggested what you're saying.
Yes it would. Divine Truth is not contingent on geography or on my own individual perspective.
Many societies in the world (both large and small) do not agree with your religious thinking. Odd how your "divine truth" just skipped over those vast localities (not to mention millions of individuals in what you see as the civilized world).
As a few parents said when I used to teach evolution in my earth science classes (state approved and mandated curriculum), "I don't want my son to think".
Miracles occur quite often in our lives, we just might not see them as being miracles. If you are anti-religious (not just an agnostic with an open mind), no amount of being told of miracles, and even seeing some yourself will convince you that they are not just happy coincidences. There is ALWAYS an "alternative" way to explain a miracle as something that had a natural explanation.
Even the example of a miracle OP cites -- rising from the dead -- could be explained as the person not really being dead, etc.
In my life there were many major and minor miracles, you just need to grasp what really happened. One example: years ago I was visiting Philly and was crossing the street at a busy intersection. I looked this way and that and did not see any traffic, so I went. Suddenly, out or a corner of my eye, I saw a truck rushing toward me from a side street I haven't noticed. The time slowed down, and I saw people in front of me gasping. Somehow I sprinted forward, and the truck whizzed by. I was quite shaken but alive. I call it a miracle; you can call it a lucky break.
That's the difference between the believers and the atheists.
It's sad that your faith is so weak that you are so afraid of what you perceive of as "insulting" and "mocking interrogation".
What is really the deal...is that some are so intrinsically miserable and hateful that they see their insulting & mocking interrogations as "normal".
I am not "afraid" of this kind of exchange...in fact, I find it entertaining (like a horror movie or "insult comedy") and have noted that.
But drive-by posts about "helping to find lost keys instead of restoration of lost limbs" or "Abrahamic Religion Adherents endorse slavery", cannot ever be reasonably deemed "sincere inquiry".
And that makes up the bulk of what I see here.
Many societies in the world (both large and small) do not agree with your religious thinking.
So?
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Originally Posted by phetaroi
Odd how your "divine truth" just skipped over those vast localities (not to mention millions of individuals in what you see as the civilized world).
It's not "my" divine truth. Divine Truth has not skipped over anything. All men are without excuse, and God is faithful to His promise that whoever seeks will find.
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