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Old 03-16-2022, 09:53 AM
 
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Speaking only for myself (though I suspect I'm not unusual among unbelievers), I simply see no reason to count on the miraculous. I certainly would have accepted a cure for my prior / 2nd / late wife's illness and asked questions later. I certainly would have accepted my first wife waking up one morning free of schizophrenia and BPD ... I wouldn't have rejected it on the grounds that I don't like miracles. I would have accepted my son's mental health issues getting better rather than worse. Of course. Who would not? And I would not be too proud to ask -- nay, beg -- god for help if I believed in him. I know this, because I used to believe in him, and I did ask.

But after all those events and more, I certainly don't anticipate the miraculous having the slightest positive impact on my life. I have been conditioned by life experience to think it so vanishingly unlikely as to be non-existent.

Another paradox of unbelief is the persistent notion that unbelievers must "hate" god. The irony is that hate is just disappointed love. The opposite of love isn't hate, but indifference. I am merely indifferent now. If I had continued to believe in god, I would be disappointed, and THAT would be hate. As it is now, I'm 110% accepting that life being a series of things happening, some of which I like, some of which I don't, but NONE of which is personal. [shrug]
Couldn't have said it better myself.
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Old 03-16-2022, 10:05 AM
 
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All you have to do is to provide evidence for your claims. And not only credible evidence, it has to be stronger than that for any counter claims, and explain what we observe better than those counter claims.
I have. Unbelievers are predisposed (often through no fault of their own) into a delusion in which they dismiss actual evidence as "not evidence" and simultaneously accept wild and unfounded speculations as "evidence". They may have faith, but their faith is misguided as it is placed in man rather than God.

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Perhaps you can start by explaining why so many people need to fake their supernatural claims?
Trying to explain why other people do things is a fool's errand.
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Old 03-16-2022, 10:06 AM
 
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Among the reasons we don't agree or see things the same way is in large part how you define these terms very differently than I do....
Agreed. If any productive dialogue is to be had, terms have to be defined.
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Old 03-16-2022, 11:14 AM
 
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Definition of faith: belief without evidence.
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Old 03-16-2022, 11:27 AM
 
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I have. Unbelievers are predisposed (often through no fault of their own) into a delusion in which they dismiss actual evidence as "not evidence" and simultaneously accept wild and unfounded speculations as "evidence". They may have faith, but their faith is misguided as it is placed in man rather than God.
Simply repeating your claim is not providing that evidence.

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Trying to explain why other people do things is a fool's errand.
That is just dismissing evidence that people need to fake miracles.
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Old 03-16-2022, 12:17 PM
 
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Definition of faith: belief without evidence.
LOL no I don't accept that definition.
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Old 03-16-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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LOL no I don't accept that definition.
Once again, you are a minority of one. It is a commonly accepted definition and appears in most dictionaries.
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Old 03-16-2022, 12:27 PM
 
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Once again, you are a minority of one. It is a commonly accepted definition and appears in most dictionaries.
Prove it. That's an asinine definition and I doubt it's in any dictionary except the one in your own head.
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Old 03-16-2022, 12:37 PM
 
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Prove it. That's an asinine definition and I doubt it's in any dictionary except the one in your own head.
One sample is up there in post 20.
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Old 03-16-2022, 12:47 PM
 
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One sample is up there in post 20.
I challenge you to read the definition from Post 20, and then compare it to yours.

You can do this!
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