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My only point was that Love is a choice, and I used spousal love as a metaphor.
How in the world is Love a choice?
No one chooses who they want to fall in love with - that spark is either there or it isn't. You can't make yourself fall in love. Some people try to claim they've "learned to love" a spouse they've been married to for a long time - but I believe that's more psychological addiction rather than love.
I'm curious to know if there are religions that consider a person predestined for certain roles in life from the time they are born.
How do those beliefs factor into family dynamics? And to what degree is free will a factor?
I guess it would depend on how one understands predestination. If it is understood in the traditional view then it is not compatible with free will.
People tend to believe predestination is an individual thing, thinking God predestinates each individual life from eternity past. This is the view that is simply not compatible with us having a free will choice and is why some hold to there either being no such thing as predestination or no such thing as there being no such thing as free will choice.
However predestination is not an individual thing it is a collective thing.
God predestinated the church or the body of Christ, he did not predestinate each individual in that church or body, one has to make the free will choice to join themselves to the church or body.
God will have a church or body of Christ as this has been predestined, it is each individuals choice whether they want to be a part of that which has been predestinated.
Nothing happens that God did not predestine. This is not only logical given His omniscience and omnipotence, but something that is thoroughly supported in the Bible.
Whatever you choose to do is what God wanted you to do.
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Nothing happens that God did not predestine. This is not only logical given His omniscience and omnipotence, but something that is thoroughly supported in the Bible.
These two posts are a perfect example that shows that an individual predestination view is not compatible with a free will choice or what we see in scripture.
Predestination for unborn and newborn are salvation for their souls in Christ, as unborn who are miscarriages and unborn aborted their lives are all collected for heaven where they are all saved to Heaven, whereas newborn lead their lives into sin the only predestination would be from the devil with the zodiac and not from God ........ Predestination was only for Jesus Christ and Him only, whereas when people turn to Christ and get saved through Jesus the plan of God comes into effect and the plan of the devil with his zodiac comes to an end ........ All who calls on the Lord can be saved when people follow the way Jesus planned , and no one is rejected when their faith and love for God through Jesus is engaged
27 For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together, 28 For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.
Was crucifying Jesus, the Son of God, a sin? You better say yes. Well, God determined beforehand that it would be done.
Is erring from God's ways sin? Again, of course. Yet, note Isa 63:17:
O Lord, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.
A few more examples:
2 Samuel 24:1: And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
Joshua 11:20: For it was of the Lord to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the Lord commanded Moses.
Psalm 105:25: He turned their heart to hate his people, to deal subtilly with his servants.
These two posts are a perfect example that shows that an individual predestination view is not compatible with a free will choice or what we see in scripture.
The alternative is to think that the God of the Universe is entirely beholden to the will of his creation. As if he just got lucky that Jesus was born, and Mary said yes when the angel said she'd have a son.
Read Scripture. Did God give Daniel a choice? Joseph? Nebuchadnezzar? Paul? Peter?
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