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Old 03-12-2022, 09:08 AM
 
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The small 'g' is a translation that did not exist in the original Greek. I have explained this to you before. You reject the alternative valid translation.
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Old 03-12-2022, 10:12 AM
 
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Only in their darkness. I have studied all sides for over 60 years. I studied Jesus carefully. His teachings and the facts of Israelite God worship history back the JW teachers all the way, and expose the rest as false-0 doubt.
In 1822 a bible translator compared side by side Greek and English NT-a god, small g in the last line at John 1:1--he was 100% correct. There were many other translations in history as well. Only rejected by trinitarians who live in darkness of the religion that came out of Romes translating. Their own encyclopedia teaches-the apostles knew nothing of a trinity God. Because God was never a trinity.
I don’t have a dog in this fight either. I just find the consensus among other Christian denominations on this point to be interesting.
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Old 03-12-2022, 10:30 AM
 
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I don’t have a dog in this fight either. I just find the consensus among other Christian denominations on this point to be interesting.
The carnally-minded interpretation of scripture, the misunderstanding of what comprises personhood, and the complete lack of comprehension of the nature of consciousness are why the confusion continues about the actual relationship of Jesus to God. The refusal to accept that we are NOT physical beings but spiritual ones inhabiting physical bodies blinds the factions into relying on created jargon and imagination to pretend there is some mystery about it all.
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Old 03-12-2022, 12:07 PM
 
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Only in their darkness. I have studied all sides for over 60 years. I studied Jesus carefully. His teachings and the facts of Israelite God worship history back the JW teachers all the way, and expose the rest as false-0 doubt.
In 1822 a bible translator compared side by side Greek and English NT-a god, small g in the last line at John 1:1--he was 100% correct. There were many other translations in history as well. Only rejected by trinitarians who live in darkness of the religion that came out of Romes translating. Their own encyclopedia teaches-the apostles knew nothing of a trinity God. Because God was never a trinity.
Total denial of not even saying Church but Rome. Cannot deny God and Spirit had to be upon those who assembled the bible and chose the books to be part of it. JWs still use this Bible despite their subtle changes that alter Doctrines and interpretations.

Makes little sense to totally deny the Church then... yet utilize their most basic feat. The Bible as we came to know it born. Few in that era had any reading skills to read it. The early Church revealed lessons in art and paintings and in Catholicism the statues and carvings too.

This -- a god took decades to infiltrate the JWs. All earlier writtings by Russel to Rutherford. Gave Jesus of God status. These writings ARE online to read and books to what was taught, when a change came to why. JWs are taught NOT to open such links not of Watchtower. Leaving most of the internet but a simple sight to have a JW visit. Is basically it. To much negative - Apostate garbage (common term used) JWs could be exposed to. At first though, the internet was to be utilized to teach and convert.

The NWT coincided with the BIG DOCTRINE CHANGE to --- and was (a) god subtke change adopted fully and a TOTAL FINAL SEPARATION from the Church. Add the belief we are past the Faith and Salvation age and about Work's toward Kingdom rewards.

a god can also open a door to more than one. Something the Church did unite in as no other God or gods.

Also in unity was to get past debate on "Jehovah" to a preferred by many "Yahweh" from the remnant left to the Hebrews. The adding consonents and even a J sound the Hebrew does not have.... in debate. Solved by God the Father and a more Personal relationship as we do not even call our earthly flesh father by a name. God maintained in and thru Jesus and Holy Sprit as revealing Both upon man.

To me ..... to even claim a god to possibility of other gods, is far more Pagan. Although the Catholic Church did take a Trinity/Triun ONE GOD, to a mystical/mystery concept.

The use was far more about ONLY ONE GOD and also no other gods beside him. The Son and Spirit were not taught as other gods to tie it into Pagan religions.

Old hymns still have Jehovah in and still sung as written.

Largest change by adding the shortest word ... a and small g to what for centuries was a G.

All with one aim... a just them mentality and total separation declared toward the Church JWs are taught then a total one and see all Churches as Apostate Christendom. But still kept its Bible.....

A bible translator in the 1800s given some credit even iver centuries of others and those who assembled the early Bible. Add a NWT bible to add changes with still some since it was translated.

So many divisions and NEW SECTS with a carasmatic leader arose in the 1800s. Millerites to Russelites to JWs. Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) Christen Science, Pentecostals on and on.

JWs and datesetting were all thru its early growth by believers. Even selling all or giving it away to await Jesus return by dates set. Finally even indirect datesetting beliefs of new ones ended 80s 90s. They were ALLOWED TO GO THRU KINGDOM HALLS. without the heavy Watchtower arm denying it. Then denying it was officially declared as dates came and went .... just par for the course as a Idiom meaning - just what one might expect.


Simple linage and history of the rise of Charles Rutherford into after death Rutherford took over and added to the doctrines or corrections. Dates specific to a Rapture occurring had to be totally eliminated and a return of Jesus date changed to 1914 and altered then to a Presence over a literal return as one did not occur literally. That is still maintained by JWS.

Basic linage and dates to teachings : The Life and Theology of Charles Taze Russell | SuperbEssay.com

https://samples.superbessay.com/the-...-taze-russell/

After the death of Charles Russell in 1916, Joseph Rutherford became the president of the Watchtower Society. Under Rutherford the apocalyptic prediction continued. Shortly after Russell’s death, the society publicized that in 1925 patriarch Abraham and his son Isaac were raised from the dead, marking the beginning of Jesus’ a thousand year reign on earth (Penton, 1997). The “last day” beginning, which had failed to start in 1874, was pushed forward to 1914. After the end of 1925 and with no resurrection of Abraham and Isaac, there were renewed disappointment and fallout in the movement (Penton, 1997).

Seems a Mansion was even built for them. After they did not materialize.. Rutherford and family moved into it.....

Rutherford declared that all those who became Jehovah’s Witnesses before 1935 will go to heaven as a part of the ‘little flock’ of 144,000. The remainder constitutes the great multitude that would live on earth paradise after the Armageddon. The Jehovah’s Witnesses still believe that Christ appeared invincibly in 1914, and commissioned their own translations of the bible to fit in their teachings. They have predicted the future without success, including the year 1975 as the new start of Christ’s thousand years reign where many followers sold their belongings (Penton, 1997).

Add the irony of Charles Tazz Russel being a Mason for years. Denied by JWS basically as more fabrication by Christendom. Yet his Gravesight memorial still has the Masonic symbols on it with a pyramid shaped memorial and his Gravesight there and Memorial overlook a Masonic Temple next to the cemetery and grave.

I do not thing JWS do much revering of the gravesight nor pilgramages of faithful. Might be seen as elevating a man... though Rutherford was part of early Watchtower of his creation. So he clearly should be part of the annoited ones of the 144,000 to them that only out of their flock are taken thru to today possible?

My only visit to a Kingdom Hall Service was a Passover one. A table with dishes on the stage and no partaking of any bread/wine. Seems only Watchower can. Much different than Catholic revereing and belief of transubstaciation aspect or as other Churces see it as a memorial yet literally faithful can partake doing it in remembrance of the Christ
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Old 03-12-2022, 04:50 PM
 
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Total denial of not even saying Church but Rome. Cannot deny God and Spirit had to be upon those who assembled the bible and chose the books to be part of it. JWs still use this Bible despite their subtle changes that alter Doctrines and interpretations.

Makes little sense to totally deny the Church then... yet utilize their most basic feat. The Bible as we came to know it born. Few in that era had any reading skills to read it. The early Church revealed lessons in art and paintings and in Catholicism the statues and carvings too.

This -- a god took decades to infiltrate the JWs. All earlier writtings by Russel to Rutherford. Gave Jesus of God status. These writings ARE online to read and books to what was taught, when a change came to why. JWs are taught NOT to open such links not of Watchtower. Leaving most of the internet but a simple sight to have a JW visit. Is basically it. To much negative - Apostate garbage (common term used) JWs could be exposed to. At first though, the internet was to be utilized to teach and convert.

The NWT coincided with the BIG DOCTRINE CHANGE to --- and was (a) god subtke change adopted fully and a TOTAL FINAL SEPARATION from the Church. Add the belief we are past the Faith and Salvation age and about Work's toward Kingdom rewards.

a god can also open a door to more than one. Something the Church did unite in as no other God or gods.

Also in unity was to get past debate on "Jehovah" to a preferred by many "Yahweh" from the remnant left to the Hebrews. The adding consonents and even a J sound the Hebrew does not have.... in debate. Solved by God the Father and a more Personal relationship as we do not even call our earthly flesh father by a name. God maintained in and thru Jesus and Holy Sprit as revealing Both upon man.

To me ..... to even claim a god to possibility of other gods, is far more Pagan. Although the Catholic Church did take a Trinity/Triun ONE GOD, to a mystical/mystery concept.

The use was far more about ONLY ONE GOD and also no other gods beside him. The Son and Spirit were not taught as other gods to tie it into Pagan religions.

Old hymns still have Jehovah in and still sung as written.

Largest change by adding the shortest word ... a and small g to what for centuries was a G.

All with one aim... a just them mentality and total separation declared toward the Church JWs are taught then a total one and see all Churches as Apostate Christendom. But still kept its Bible.....

A bible translator in the 1800s given some credit even iver centuries of others and those who assembled the early Bible. Add a NWT bible to add changes with still some since it was translated.

So many divisions and NEW SECTS with a carasmatic leader arose in the 1800s. Millerites to Russelites to JWs. Church of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) Christen Science, Pentecostals on and on.

JWs and datesetting were all thru its early growth by believers. Even selling all or giving it away to await Jesus return by dates set. Finally even indirect datesetting beliefs of new ones ended 80s 90s. They were ALLOWED TO GO THRU KINGDOM HALLS. without the heavy Watchtower arm denying it. Then denying it was officially declared as dates came and went .... just par for the course as a Idiom meaning - just what one might expect.


Simple linage and history of the rise of Charles Rutherford into after death Rutherford took over and added to the doctrines or corrections. Dates specific to a Rapture occurring had to be totally eliminated and a return of Jesus date changed to 1914 and altered then to a Presence over a literal return as one did not occur literally. That is still maintained by JWS.

Basic linage and dates to teachings : The Life and Theology of Charles Taze Russell | SuperbEssay.com

https://samples.superbessay.com/the-...-taze-russell/

After the death of Charles Russell in 1916, Joseph Rutherford became the president of the Watchtower Society. Under Rutherford the apocalyptic prediction continued. Shortly after Russell’s death, the society publicized that in 1925 patriarch Abraham and his son Isaac were raised from the dead, marking the beginning of Jesus’ a thousand year reign on earth (Penton, 1997). The “last day” beginning, which had failed to start in 1874, was pushed forward to 1914. After the end of 1925 and with no resurrection of Abraham and Isaac, there were renewed disappointment and fallout in the movement (Penton, 1997).

Seems a Mansion was even built for them. After they did not materialize.. Rutherford and family moved into it.....

Rutherford declared that all those who became Jehovah’s Witnesses before 1935 will go to heaven as a part of the ‘little flock’ of 144,000. The remainder constitutes the great multitude that would live on earth paradise after the Armageddon. The Jehovah’s Witnesses still believe that Christ appeared invincibly in 1914, and commissioned their own translations of the bible to fit in their teachings. They have predicted the future without success, including the year 1975 as the new start of Christ’s thousand years reign where many followers sold their belongings (Penton, 1997).

Add the irony of Charles Tazz Russel being a Mason for years. Denied by JWS basically as more fabrication by Christendom. Yet his Gravesight memorial still has the Masonic symbols on it with a pyramid shaped memorial and his Gravesight there and Memorial overlook a Masonic Temple next to the cemetery and grave.

I do not thing JWS do much revering of the gravesight nor pilgramages of faithful. Might be seen as elevating a man... though Rutherford was part of early Watchtower of his creation. So he clearly should be part of the annoited ones of the 144,000 to them that only out of their flock are taken thru to today possible?

My only visit to a Kingdom Hall Service was a Passover one. A table with dishes on the stage and no partaking of any bread/wine. Seems only Watchower can. Much different than Catholic revereing and belief of transubstaciation aspect or as other Churces see it as a memorial yet literally faithful can partake doing it in remembrance of the Christ

I already know the history of the JW,s.
Jesus did sit on his throne in 1914-Rev 6-- C.T.Russell said in 1889--peace will be taken from the earth in 1914--The only man alive who saw Rev 6 coming in 1914. He did confuse it for Har-mageddon, but it was the war in heaven. He had some of it correct.
Rev 6--peace was taken from the earth= world war not a single war. Satan and his angels were cast to the earth in 1914 after losing the war in heaven. After ww1, millions upon millions died all over the earth from things mentioned of the other 3 riders. White horse= righteous war.
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Old 03-12-2022, 04:53 PM
 
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The small 'g' is a translation that did not exist in the original Greek. I have explained this to you before. You reject the alternative valid translation.
1822 a translation compared Greek and english side by side-a god small g was correct.-- New testament in greek and english-1822
New testament an improved version-1808= a god
Literal translation of NT 1863= a god
Concise commentary bible-1885= a god.
plus others in history.
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Old 03-12-2022, 05:06 PM
 
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1822 a translation compared Greek and english side by side-a god small g was correct.-- New testament in greek and english-1822
New testament an improved version-1808= a god
Literal translation of NT 1863= a god
Concise commentary bible-1885= a god.
plus others in history.
You have been seriously lied to and you have bought into them. There is no way to help you escape the deceitful and evil indoctrination you are under.
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Old 03-13-2022, 05:35 PM
 
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You have been seriously lied to and you have bought into them. There is no way to help you escape the deceitful and evil indoctrination you are under.
I looked those up online, The JW teachers didnt show me those= Fact. Its you who are mislead.
The fact as well, ones condemning translators for putting Gods name back where he put it to start with because he wants it there, prove they do not know God. Then saying the name doesnt belong in the NT, Yet in the 300,s Jerome said the name does belong in the NT, because its truth. The Pope wouldnt allow it. A god small g is correct at John 1:1. God will show all who are in error. The door remains open.
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Old 03-14-2022, 05:07 AM
 
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1822 a translation compared Greek and english side by side-a god small g was correct.-- New testament in greek and english-1822
New testament an improved version-1808= a god
Literal translation of NT 1863= a god
Concise commentary bible-1885= a god.
plus others in history.
Yes, I know your claim, there is no need to repeat it as if that makes the valid alternative suddenly invalid.

Perhaps if you learnt how Greek grammar works.
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Old 03-14-2022, 06:18 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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So then its not the religion you are saying no to. It is God you are saying no to. In the OT the unrepentent were stoned to death, is that more of your like? Be happy God changed it.
Does Catholic dogma demand you ostracize friends/family if they leave the Church? Do Lutherans? Methodists?

It's definitely the religion. Your stoning deflection is nothing more than that.
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