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Many people take every word of the bible literally and we have this image in our minds of how things happened and the way they happened. But the Bible was never meant to be a history book. It was meant to use as a guide in how we live our lives. The problem is that Christians focus too much on details and accuracy and they try to take every word literally. You just cant do that. One example is that the Lord created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th day. Most people take that literally and believe that the earth was made in a week or 168 hours. The truth is a day on our calendar may not be like a day on God's calendar. In Peter 3:8 it says:
"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance."
Also we have mental pictures in our head, what Jesus looked like or what angels look like. Many see a blue eyed blonde haired Jesus whereas the Bible says he had hair of wool and skin the color of bronze. (what would racist organizations, who worship Christ say about that?) We picture angels as being as being pretty caucation blondes with halos and white robes. Just maybe they are 4 foot tall with big heads, big almond shaped eyes and fly around in space ships.
There are also stories hidden within the Bible that doesnt reflect what our so called history tells us. We all know about the great flood but do we know exactly why God destroyed the world with the flood? one might say that there was so much sin on the earth, God had to purify the world. While that is try, it wasnt the only reason. If that were the case God would have wiped us out again along time ago. Scripture in the book of Genesis talks of fallen angels decending to earth and basically they mated with human woman and the offspring were called the "Nephilim" or "giants" The Bible doesnt say much about them but other sacred text that was removed from the Bible by the catholic church does. The Book of Enoch and the Book of Noah talks in greater detail of this subject. The Book of Noah describes one of the offspring as have pure white skin (white as paper) and white hair. Ironically that seems to be the description of some "extraterrestrials" as well as native american gods that decended down to earth. Any way God said the union between the angels and humans were unholy and the angels taught humankind "magic" and told them "mysteries" of the universe. They also told man how to make weapons. That explains why the ancients were so preoccupied with the skies in building their monuments and it also explains how they knew about stars that are not visible from the naked eye or even through a telescope. Someone from "out there" had to tell them about those stars.
Also The human bloodline was "polluted" and the goal of Satan was to try to prevent Christ from being born. The Book of Noah says directly that the reason for the great flood was end the polluted bloodline cause by the unholy union of the angels and humans. The Bible says Noah was chosen because he "was perfect in his generations". That doesnt mean he was without sin because the only person that walked the earth free from sin was Jesus. What that really means is that Noah was "genetically" perfect and his blood line had not been corrupted. Many believe there was some kind of coverup by the Catholic church because they removed all the books concerning "beings coming down from the skies". Jesus himself quoted scripture from those books. Seems like that cover-up continues today in regards to UFOs.
The point is that the Bible is not meant to be an "accurate" history book because thats not the message God is trying to send us. Its how we live our lives.
Talking about "the Bible" as a book is a bit misleading. The Bible is actually a collection of many books, some of which are indeed historic narratives, but you've also got poetry, songs, diaries, letters, at least one play, genealogical records, advice, and prophecies. Every book has its own method of interpretation. You just can't interpret Genesis in the same way you would a letter to a Roman church or an apostle's account of the life of Jesus.
Also: The books of Enoch and Noah are not part of canonized Scripture. Interesting reading? Yes. But when you're speaking of the Bible, it's best to refer to the canon.
Talking about "the Bible" as a book is a bit misleading. The Bible is actually a collection of many books, some of which are indeed historic narratives, but you've also got poetry, songs, diaries, letters, at least one play, genealogical records, advice, and prophecies. Every book has its own method of interpretation. You just can't interpret Genesis in the same way you would a letter to a Roman church or an apostle's account of the life of Jesus.
Also: The books of Enoch and Noah are not part of canonized Scripture. Interesting reading? Yes. But when you're speaking of the Bible, it's best to refer to the canon.
The book of Enoch and Noah were a part of the original Bible. Jesus quoted scripture from those books Those along with others were removed from the bible.
The book of Enoch and Noah were a part of the original Bible.
No. They weren't. They were part of a large body of early Jewish writings, but they were never part of the Torah or the Septuagint.
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Jesus quoted scripture from those books
And St. Paul quoted a pagan author. It didn't mean the pagan author's writings ought to be included in the Bible. It means that Paul (like we today) was part of a wider world.
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Those along with others were removed from the bible.
You can't remove something that was never there to begin with. That's like saying George W. Bush recently had his antlers removed.
No. They weren't. They were part of a large body of early Jewish writings, but they were never part of the Torah or the Septuagint.
And St. Paul quoted a pagan author. It didn't mean the pagan author's writings ought to be included in the Bible. It means that Paul (like we today) was part of a wider world.
You can't remove something that was never there to begin with. That's like saying George W. Bush recently had his antlers removed.
Understand there was no such thing as the Christian religion during the time of Jesus, Jesus himself was a Jew. so yes they would be in earlier jewishing writings. Regardless of what book they were origionally a part of they were sacred text that was widly used and Jesus himself quoted from those books. but there are other sources that say the book of Enoch was indeed at one time put in the Bible. The book of Noah is actually a part of the book of Enoch.
The Bible IS a history book and its been confirmed countless times thru archeological finds as far back as the book of Genesis. Doing a simple google on :'Archeological Evidence for the Bible' will reveal irrefutable scientific evidence. Also, the large booklet called : 'The 12 Points that prove Christianity' is a must-have on this topic. Available thru www.impactapologetics.com for the sincere Seeker. Regards.
The Bible IS a history book and its been confirmed countless times thru archeological finds as far back as the book of Genesis. Doing a simple google on :'Archeological Evidence for the Bible' will reveal irrefutable scientific evidence. Also, the large booklet called : 'The 12 Points that prove Christianity' is a must-have on this topic. Available thru www.impactapologetics.com for the sincere Seeker. Regards.
so you believe the earth was literally created in 7 earth days? Im not saying God isnt capable of doing it. That just doesnt jive with the system of nature and order that God has set up. Other scripture also says "a day in God's time is like a thousand years".
Understand there was no such thing as the Christian religion during the time of Jesus, Jesus himself was a Jew.
Very true. And the Jewish people of Jesus' time had the Torah --- a set of books accepted as the inspired Word of God. There were other historic books, rabbinical teaches, apocryphal works, etc. that were widely read. Just as today one might read a book by the Reverend Billy Graham, the Pope, or any number of ministers, theologians, or even lay people. Many of them are considered good, pious works, worthy of study and instruction. But none of them are accepted as Sacred Scripture. The same was true in the time of Jesus.
The book of Enoch was widely read in early centuries, but it was never considered part of the Torah.
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they were sacred text that was widly used
Widely used? Yes. Sacred text? If by that you mean accepted into the canon (be it Jewish or Christian), then no.
and Jesus himself quoted from those books.[/quote]
I don't think so, but I could be wrong. St. Jude is the one who quotes from the Book of Enoch. But there are no references to Enoch in the Gospels of which I am aware. Care to site the passage to which you are referring?
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but there are other sources that say the book of Enoch was indeed at one time put in the Bible.
There are sources, also available online, that say the pyramids were built by aliens. Just because someone wrote it in a book and posted it on the internet, doesn't make it true.
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The book of Noah is actually a part of the book of Enoch.
The bible is a book of fiction written by mere men in order to control other men. All religions are nothing but one group of people gaining control over others for power and money.
The book of Enoch and Noah were a part of the original Bible. Jesus quoted scripture from those books Those along with others were removed from the bible.
We don't have quotes on any subject matter from Jesus, only second-hand testimony, because Jesus didn't write anything down.
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