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What's the issue? Both mention events that took place, but did not mention all events. I fail to see the issue.
Of course you fail to see the contradictions. Try taking off the rose colored glasses. These are two entirely different views of one "claimed" event. Good grief.
What this proves is that Mathew could say that Jesus's hair was black and Luke could say it was blonde and you would see no contradiction. "Where's the contradiction? Jesus had hair".
There it is. Show us exactly what you have that convinces you Jesus was a real person. It cannot be from the Bible because those writings are not considered historical evidence by non-biased Biblical scholars.
Go on. Show us something extra-Biblical that proves Jesus existed--ANYTHING, artifacts, a grave, a monument, an ossuary containing his bones, a relief, just anything-- and then let us examine it and if it is convincing I know that I will change my belief and say that he truly was the Son of God.
Go ahead!
dumb idea for a thread OP. while we're at it why not lump on the following:
1. Prove that Adolf Hitler and Ava Braun committed suicide and weren't murdered
2. Prove that Earth is the only planet in the cosmos that can sustain life
3. Prove that humans and not aliens built the pyramids of Egypt
OMG! Even a kindergärtner versed in research could shoot these ridiculous "defenses" down as so many secular Biblical scholars have already done.
I'm not going to do any writing because it's tiresome to have to keep repeating myself. Here are quotes and sources.
Tacitus: he's writing 100 years AFTER Jesus supposedly was crucified so he's hardly contemporary. His reference, is actually to Chrestus, a Jewish rebellion leader
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Roman Emperor Claudius reigned 41 to 54 AD. ... In Claudius 25 Suetonius refers to the expulsion of Jews by Claudius and states (in Edwards' translation): "Since the Jews constantly made disturbances at the instigation of Chrestus, he expelled them from Rome."
Tacitus NEVER mentions Jesus. Just Chrestians which were followers of Chrestus.
Now listen carefully. This will clear the matter up for you once and for all:
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Recently it was discovered that the earlier manuscript of Tacitus had Chrestians in the passage and it was changed to Christians by a later scribe.It seems obvious that a Christian scribe could not have made the mistake of writing Chrestians (Chrestianos) for Christians, so we must take it that Tacitus’ passage was probably authentic, but it has been interpolated. If Tacitus wrote Chrestians, then it is quite likely that he also wrote Chrest for Christ. The passage makes little sense as now recorded in wikipedia:
Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite punishments on a class hated for their disgraceful acts, called Chrestians by the populace. Christ, from whom the name had its origin.
Did you get that? A later Christian scribe got a hold of Tacitus' manuscript and changed the name in order to bolster the evidence for Jesus and Christians. But Tacitus never mentions Jesus so it's cold case proof Tacitus was referring to Chrestus.
I'm just going to give some reference material that refutes all the other claims Strobel makes:
Mara Bar-Serapion (70AD)
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And of course, there is no qualification for #7 whatsoever - the Teacher of Righteousness is nowhere regarded as a king. He is clearly identifiable in the Qumran literature as "an anti-Hasmonean priest of Zadokite lineage" [ibid., 1] - not a king.
The historical time-frame of the characters Bar-Serapion identifies by name suggests that the Jews' "wise King" also lived about the same time as Pythagoras and Socrates.
Pythagoras and Socrates were barely contemporaries - Pythagoras was about 60 when Socrates was born, if he was alive then at all. To include Jesus in a list with these two would be no more odd than naming Newton, Einstein and Hawking in a list of great physics theorists.
The other references can just as easily be refuted if one just Googles them. Strobel is a phony baloney, out to make some cash just like all the other Christian writers trying desperately to prove Jesus was real. The sad thing is that nobody but gullible Christians buys into his tripe. Certainly no serious historians does. Christians make millionaires out of these hucksters. Sad Sad Sad.
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I gave you 66 different books. And you complain you want more. How many more you want?
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Originally Posted by 303Guy
66 Books you say? And they all mention Jesus by name?
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And your point is?
66 books proving that Jesus existed. What more do we need? Do all those books mention Jesus by name?
And you ask what my point is?
What is YOUR point?
MY point is that all those 66 books that prove Jesus existence should mention him. In fact, they should dwell on him.
So, do they?
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And your point is?
