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so here we can see the hypocrisy and double standard.
you say that Pagans would need to be in the majority but accept the fact that a 2% belief in Judaism is enough to warrant public representation.
isn't this just because Christianity uses the Hebrew Bible as its backbone?
Actually I'm being honest, I don't like any religious minorities holidays or symbols to be put in any public place, because if we allow Jewish minorities, then we must allow Islamic, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, etc. holidays and symbols to be put. We cannot acknowledge every single religious holiday and symbol.
So, NO to Menorahs, even though many Americans support them due to their persecution in 20th century (even though it has nothing to do with Americans)
Most Christians don't follow Jewish Bible.... We uses New Testament!
And everyone that celebrates the Christmas Holiday Season with decorations, trees, wreaths, Santa Clause, parties, etc. is a real, good, practicing Christian, right?
It's an excuse for a jolly holiday. I don't think public tax funds should pay for that.
Christmas is a national holiday, and is celebrated by 96% of Americans (80% of Americans are Christians).
Nativity Scenes is the main reason for Christmas, and should be put in public places.
Atheists have constantly fought to remove everything that has to do with religion, and forced their non-belief in our throats, just like the politicians have done in Soviet Union, and today in Cuba, North Korea, parts of China, etc.
Santa Clause is the main reason for Christmas. Along with Rudolf. No one cares about nativity idols except for religionist fanatics. One can maintain their stupidity freely in this country, but it is much better if it is continually pointed out to them and it is much better if their corrupt religionist hands are kept away from our money subsidizing their factionist graven images.
Christians try to abolish the Winter Solstice because they are Anti-Pagan.
so who is correct here?
Huh? I don't know a single Christian who has an anti-winter solstice/first day of winter agenda.
The winter solstice isn't pagan, btw. It's an astronomical annual event. It happened before Christianity and it happened before even the first, most primitive forms of paganism. It happened before any life existed at all. So I hardly think pagans are the originators.
The pagans celebrated it way before the birth of Christ - and then the birth date was adjusted to fit in with this event.
The shining star of Bethlehem = the moon.
Why change the birthday of Jesus to coincide with a Pagan festival, considering pagans are supposed to be spawns of the Devil?
Because the "mojo" of Jesus trumps all of that. NOTHING/NOBODY has EVER had more "mojo". Of course...his "direct connection" to the Creator/Source/Essence of Everything helps in that regard.
Christmas is a national holiday, and is celebrated by 96% of Americans (80% of Americans are Christians).
The two figures are irrelevant in a country that was deemed secular over 200 years ago.
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Nativity Scenes is the main reason for Christmas, and should be put in public places.
Many do not agree with your opinion.
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Atheists have constantly fought to remove everything that has to do with religion,
That is a little twisted. Things representing religion should be removed from government-owned public property. Nobody is trying to remove anything religious from anywhere else.
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and forced their non-belief in our throats,
If you live in the United States, you are now, and always have been, free to believe whatever you want.
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just like the politicians have done in Soviet Union, and today in Cuba, North Korea, parts of China, etc.
None of these countries have ANYTHING to do with how government works in America.
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Then I don't want my tax money to be supported to put up Menorahs for Jewish holiday of Hanukkah,
You have an audience here just waiting to read all the long list of links to news articles and pictures of all the government-erected Menorahs that were put up last year.
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and my tax money to be sent to the Jewish state of Israel, or any Muslim country in the Middle East.
The proper way to let your feelings be know is to contact your congressional representatives. They have a lot more influence on the federal government than City-Data posters.
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..... has nothing to do with Christmas, which is celebrated by most Christians in Dec 25 due to the birth of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.
You are pretty unclear here. Do you mean that Jesus was born on December 25? If so, you might want to do a little research. There are very few legitimate scholars that think he was born in December.
If you mean that Christians celebrate Christmas as the birthday of Christ even though they know it really didn't happen on December 25, that's quite different.
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Non-Christians tries to abolish Christmas because they are Anti-Christians.
Non-Christians and Anti-Christians are nowhere nearly the same thing.
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If Pegans were the majority of the US population, if they had a national holiday, then we would have absolutely no issue.
The 1st Amendment applies to everyone and all beliefs or non-beliefs. Period.
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We have no issue putting up Menorah in public places, .....
Yes we do.
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Then you as an atheist should fight against militant atheists, and stop supporting their evil decisions.
How did you go about becoming the person empowered to decide how atheists should behave? Your posts seem to indicate that you harbor a LOT of hate.
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I'm an atheist but I really couldn't care less about nativity plays in public parks, what is written on our currency, if the national motto mentions God, whether shops are closed on Sundays or other petty things like that. These are remnants of the enormous cultural impact that Christianity has had on the Western world and trying to forcefully erase that will only make you seem like a bully. It gives atheism in general a bad reputation which is why many people don't want to be associated with it, even if they technically are atheists. Fortunately, most atheists are not like that.
Oh man, I didn't realize the War on Christmas had started already. The annual evil atheist conspiracy mailer outlining the conspiracy to destroy Christianity must have been lost in all the Black Friday ads.
For what it's worth, just about every public park has a provision that private individuals or organizations may apply for and receive permission to use a part of the park for a private function. So, any private not-for-profit group, including a church, has a right to reserves space in a public park for a private function or display or event. Whether to grant the permit is at the discretion of the jurisdiction that administers the park, and they cannot discriminate by denying a reasonable permit to an organization merely because it is associated with a church or a religious body. There are common sense limitations. For example, if the KKK wants to have a rally in the park, the city can require that the KKK hire enough off-duty police officers to ensure law and order during the event, but cannot deny the permit merely because they disapprove of the users of the park, or because other people might disapprove of it.
In other words, if a church wants to erect a temporary seasonal display in the park, the city is bound to give fair consideration to the request, the same as they would to, say, a fund raising organization to display an indicator of the amount of funds that has been raised. That falls in the category of "public use", which is what public parks are for. A city such as Santa Monica, if there is regular demand for function or event space, is free to establish an appropriate format for letting such permits, charging fees or bids for the spaces, still bound to be non-discriminatory.
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