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Old 03-30-2012, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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Where do I begin?


The historical facts surrounding the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus
Huh?? Did I miss something?
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Old 03-30-2012, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Valencia, Spain
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I would like theists to list some evidence they have for God existing.
Here...this will keep you amused for days!!

https://www.city-data.com/forum/relig...roofs-god.html
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:16 PM
 
Location: TN
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Which one of these do you consider to be your strongest?
Well the aren't necessarily personally my own evidences but the accepted evidences for theist philosophers and apologists. If I was to pick one that I think to be the strongest I would say the origin of the universe is probably the strongest because:

A) Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
B) The universe began to exist.
C) Therefore the universe has a cause.
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:24 PM
 
Location: TN
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Huh?? Did I miss something?
I would say that you are missing alot. I would be missing a lot also if I didn't accept that Jesus was raised from the dead. I would hope that someone would show me what I am missing so I will do that for you.

According to William Lane Craig there are three facts that are recognized by most New Testament Historians concerning the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus:
1) His empty tomb
2) His post mortem appearances
3) The original disciples belief in his resurrection despite have disposition to the contrary
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Old 03-30-2012, 10:27 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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Marijuana- surely something that good was created by the gods.
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Old 03-30-2012, 11:37 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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There is no evidence for the existence of a god unless an honest "We don't know yet" is to be considered evidence. It doesn't IMO.
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:25 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Which one of these do you consider to be your strongest?
I'll be interested to see what he says. I'd say "There is something rather than nothing/The origin of the universe" (I see them as the same argument)

and "Peoples' personal testimony and experiences with God"

The others range from the soundly refuted (Jesus' resurrection and god - given morality) to the less well - known but increasingly popular (personal experience and consciousness).
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Old 03-31-2012, 04:43 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I would say that you are missing alot. I would be missing a lot also if I didn't accept that Jesus was raised from the dead. I would hope that someone would show me what I am missing so I will do that for you.

According to William Lane Craig there are three facts that are recognized by most New Testament Historians concerning the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus:
1) His empty tomb
2) His post mortem appearances
3) The original disciples belief in his resurrection despite have disposition to the contrary
I hate to threaten a derail of the thread but William Lane Craig's arguments for the resurrection are some of the easiest I have ever had to refute - even the late Tom Campbell's epic but futile defence of the nativity nonsense was tougher going. If you want to start a thread on that, feel free. I am

Btw. I agree that cosmic origins is still a good gap for God, though it has recently closed up quite a bit and apologists apparently see more mileage in the 'consciousness' argument, though that is a bit dangerous as it is very vulnerable to experiment.
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Old 03-31-2012, 09:37 AM
 
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Well the aren't necessarily personally my own evidences but the accepted evidences for theist philosophers and apologists. If I was to pick one that I think to be the strongest I would say the origin of the universe is probably the strongest because:

A) Everything that begins to exist has a cause.
B) The universe began to exist.
C) Therefore the universe has a cause.
Yes, the universe had an origin. Who says this origin is God?

This argument doesn't even show that God exists, it only shows that the universe had an origin.
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Old 04-01-2012, 07:16 AM
 
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Ask a question you would have a god to answer, and I will, at the very least, be a god's proxy. Once all your questions are anwered to your satisfaction, the sum total of answers must have come from a god. Multiple attempts will of course be required due to flaws in the transmitting medium. Without said flaws, there would be nothing that was not god.
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