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Old 05-01-2024, 09:53 PM
 
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The evangelical/christian narrative is one in which a Christian religious foundation is central to the forming of the United States. If you actually read the U.S. Constitution, you'll see that the founders did not consider any religion over any other religion and said the government (congress) cannot establish or prohibit the practice of religion. (That includes the practice of no religion or belief in God.)

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Back in those days the overwhelming majority of people that were coming in US were of European descent.

You need to understand that Europeans belonged to different Christian denominations, so it was important for the founding fathers to make sure that no one particular church was intertwined with the government, ( dictating to it its rules) as it was in England or some other European countries.

That's why America was all-inclusive, when it comes to Christianity.

The first mosque was built in America only in 1934 ( and Islam is another major religion in the world.)
So obviously, back in the days of the founding fathers, they were not thinking about accommodation of ALL religions, but most likely - accommodation of all Christian churches/denominations of Europe.

 
Old 05-01-2024, 09:55 PM
 
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"While the U.S. Constitution does not mention God, nearly all state constitutions reference either God or the divine, according to a 2017 analysis. God also appears in the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance and on U.S. currency."
Doesn't change what I wrote.
 
Old 05-01-2024, 10:02 PM
 
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Doesn't change what I wrote.

Yes it does, when put in a broader context.

As in; " The US Constitution doesn't mention God, BUT...
other documents do, which supports the idea of importance of religion in US."
 
Old 05-01-2024, 10:12 PM
 
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State constitutions must conform to the U.S. constitution. There is no favored religion cited in the U.S. constitution and the 1st amendment expressly states that as a founding and permanent principle for the nation’s founding regardless the of what state constitutions might say.
 
Old 05-01-2024, 10:19 PM
 
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Yes it does, when put in a broader context.

As in; " The US Constitution doesn't mention God, BUT...
other documents do, which supports the idea of importance of religion in US."
How exactly is religion important.
 
Old 05-01-2024, 10:26 PM
 
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State constitutions must conform to the U.S. constitution. There is no favored religion cited in the U.S. constitution and the 1st amendment expressly states that as a founding and permanent principle for the nation’s founding regardless the of what state constitutions might say.

I already explained why.

But obviously the US is built on Christian culture by Europeans.

It's enough to see these images from not so distant times to understand it.

https://ideas.time.com/wp-content/up...0&h=240&crop=1


https://landmarkcases.org/wp-content...itale.jpg.webp
 
Old 05-01-2024, 10:49 PM
 
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I keep hearing this but have yet to get an answer on what that means. What are these "Christian Principles" that our (if you are American) nation is built on?
Nah, the nation was built on genocide, violence, thievery, plunder, exploitation, and slavery.
Christianity is just the excuse used to help themselves sleep at night.
 
Old 05-01-2024, 11:12 PM
 
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How exactly is religion important.

It outlines the cultural norms of the society in every-day's life.
it builds the foundation of it.
 
Old 05-01-2024, 11:15 PM
 
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Nah, the nation was built on genocide, violence, thievery, plunder, exploitation, and slavery.
Christianity is just the excuse used to help themselves sleep at night.

Towards someone else.

But this doesn't exactly reflect what was going on WITHIN the group of people, that was establishing the nation.
 
Old 05-02-2024, 12:12 AM
 
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True. But that doesn't mean "rules" against such are not also Christian principles/values.
My point is, we don’t have those laws because we are a Christian nation, we have them because we are a civilized human society.
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