Gun Crime down in 6 of 8 of Ohio's largest cities after passage of Constitutional Carry (camp, shop)

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by cheech14

But aren't we arguing that all people are in danger who don't own firearms? Should I expect to be murdered at some point due to my lack of ownership?

That's not an argument that I'm making.

However, an argument that I would make is that if you ever find yourself on the verge of being murdered, you will likely wish that you had a gun, or some other meaningful weapon with which to defend yourself.

Gun ownership is uniquely personal. If you don't want to own one, I would never try to compel you to do so. I would just ask for the same consideration from you, and that you don't try to prevent me from owning one.

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by cheech14

Who is "we"? Only a few small groups of people- like the Puritans- originally came due to not getting along in their home countries. The vast majority of people came for new opportunities, economics, etc., especially after the US actually formed as a nation. And aren't you just arguing that Americans- coming from so many different places and ancestries- are actually representative of the greater world and its people? That would definitely not support that Americans are uniquely violent people because "Americans" come from everywhere.

It's not the nationality, it's the tolerance of violence- but especially gun violence- that makes the US unique. But I would argue that based on polling, most people- including most gun owners- actually support gun control and regulations like training, background checks, magazine limitations, etc. So I'm not even sure if it's tolerance of gun violence so much as we are being held hostage by special interests who make billions on creating a culture of fear.

If you'd like to be intellectually honest and discuss such infringements on things like voting, that would be very interesting. But of you're only willing to consider such infringements on one's constitutionally protected right to keep and bear arms, then get of here with that nonsense. . .

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by cheech14

You can't really compare states, though, because people can easily cross borders to purchase guns when laws are not federal. Also, why are you comparing overall homicide rates caused by all causes to gun ownership rates? Why wouldn't you compare gun-related homicides only to gun ownership rates?

Gun purchase laws across state lines are Federal. You can't go to a neighboring state and legally purchase a handgun.

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by highlanderfil

Because it's generally asinine to report on an absence of something except for when it contextualizes the very thing it opposes. E.g., you would normally not attempt to prove that you didn't kill someone until you're accused of doing that.

So do you understand why cheech14's point is a non-issue?

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by TaxPhd

So do you understand why cheech14's point is a non-issue?

How does that follow from what I wrote?

[TaxPhd]

Originally Posted by highlanderfil

How does that follow from what I wrote?

The question is both clear and germane to the discussion. If you don't understand it, or don't want to answer it, that's OK.

[highlanderfil]

Originally Posted by TaxPhd

The question is both clear and germane to the discussion. If you don't understand it, or don't want to answer it, that's OK.

I literally explained, in the second sentence of my response, how it's germane to the discussion and how it directly contradicts what you think it says.

[TomJones123]

Oh...just because more anecdotes are cool..

https://www.theblaze.com/news/phoeni...er-door-jenele

[tribecavsbrowns]

Originally Posted by cheech14

You seem really hung up on American football being some kind of blood sport.

I think all of humanity overall has the same basic tendency towards violence. Other factors make the expression of that violence more or less likely, but humanity is not different in one country versus the other all things being equal, no.

Nope, you seem hung up on a notion that American football -- which, to state the obvious, was invented here and enjoys a unique level of popularity here -- isn't actually a particularly violent game. Which is a silly notion, and plus, it's not the only example I gave (or could give) of violence endemic in American culture.

Humanity doesn't have "the same basic tendency towards violence" even across the whole of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, let alone the entire globe. There are many reasons for that, and we probably don't need to go into them.

But I will say that when you start from a simple-minded, garbage assumption like "every country should have pretty much the same murder rate," (not quoting you directly, but just re-stating the implication you're making), you're going to arrive at garbage conclusions.

[TomJones123]

Some of you guys who are ignorant of the results of gun control and eventual confiscation should look up the term useful idiots, its eye opening actually that its a thing but it is.