Who is OH voting for? (Washington, Clinton: how much, house, to live)

[ohioaninsc]

If Kasich had won the Primary, I'd be inclined to vote for him over Hillary...he's become pretty moderate after he got crushed on SB 5...I've not agreed with a whole lot of what he's done but he wouldn't be a bad POTUS either.

It infuriated me that Dems could keep seeing in every poll that Sanders beat every GOP contender by a larger margin than Hillary, yet they nominated the most corrupt candidate in years...yet she's still the far better option of the 2 major party contenders.

Very Reluctantly, I'm with her.

It's also Ohio's duty to right the wrong of 2010 when we voted out a good Governor in Ted Strickland...we must help get the GOP control of the Senate gone so we must vote Strickland over Portman.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by residinghere2007

Actually, I thought Cruz was the worst of all of them and that Trump is better than him lol. He was way too nutty and religious IMO and honestly, I feel the race will be closer with Trump as the GOP candidate versus Cruz.

I would rather the GOP to have nominated Rubio or Kasich. They would have actually been a challenge for Hillary Clinton IMO. Contrary to what many on the hard right believe, America has always been more moderate, middle of the road majority. Cruz was the most conservative of all of them and I personally thought he was much nuttier than Trump.



I especially agree with the bold. Too many here in America want to complain and blame everything in their life on "the establishment" or "the government" and don't realize that other countries in the world, even "first world," industrial, 21st century nations are struggling economically compared to the US.

I don't like everything about either Obama or Hillary Clinton but I never felt that Obama didn't have the best interest of the country in mind and that that was a primary reason why did didn't take more of a hard left, liberal actions in regards to the economy. I think Hillary Clinton will be similar to him, but with way more baggage (especially in regards to Bill lol).



On the bold, Moody's just examined Trump's economic goals and considered the two you mentioned above and projected that under any scenario that both would put us back into a recession.

IMO Trump's immigration plan is built upon irrational hate and fear of the populace. His ideas on trade deals would make us an isolationist country in a global economy and ruin our standing and fracture our economic condition. FWIW, like I feel about Obama and Hillary Clinton, I don't necessarily believe that Trump wants to ruin our country or intends to purposefully do so. But I do feel that he would be way in over his head. His vitriol and negative rhetoric against nearly every type of American IMO has isolated him as a political island. Our country does not have a dictator as president that can do whatever he wants to do. The president has to build a team and a coalition around common goals/objectives and with Trump at the helm, I don't see that happening since so many in "his" party (FWIW, I don't consider him a true Republican, I think he just adopted the GOP in order to get attention and play on those who have a lot of biases against "other" types of people) don't agree with him, don't like that he is the presumptive nominee, and I don't see them helping him like they would a more respected colleague.

He especially did himself a lot of damage during the primaries in regards to his behavior and antics with Cruz and Jeb Bush and Rubio and others who still have a lot of weight and influence in the GOP and who have a lot of supporters.

Yep. Trump's entire platform revolves around being an "outsider" and being against the "PC establishment". The problem with that is that none of those things are policy. None of those things support the idea of a leader who can play well with others. He has incredibly thin skin and a "lash out first" character that would have the potential to be incredibly dangerous in a position of power. Even if we disregard every terrible position he has taken against immigrants, racial and ethnic minorities, women, gays, etc., you are still left with a man with a history of making bad deals in what should be his absolute strongest characteristic: business. How is he supposed to "negotiate debt" when he has been unable to do so with his own business ventures? How is he supposed to build the economy when he can't even run a casino- a business that should practically print money- without going into bankruptcy? He can't even self-fund his campaign as he called for "emergency" donations not long ago and has a paltry national staff. This calls into question whether or not he really has as much money, or at least the liquidity, that he claims. So yeah, even disregarding his overt racism and bigotry, even disregarding his disdain for constitutional rights like freedom of the press and even disregarding his authoritarianistic tendencies, you are still left with a candidate who simply has no qualifications to be president.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

Lol bro, where did I say I want Trump?

I remember mentioning Fed policy, then you go off about how Trump sucks. As I suspected, you just don't know anything serious beyond the entertainment and identity politics of election season. I mean, no disagreement, but talk about a non sequitur.

I never said you wanted Trump, but you did attempt to equate Clinton and Trump as 2 sides to the same coin, which is dishonest and untrue. You brought up debt as a reason why the country was headed towards disaster, but failed to acknowledge that only one candidate, Trump, has received near universal criticism for an economic plan that would drastically worsen both annual deficits and total debt. Even if you believe they are both otherwise dishonest or whatever, economically they are just not similar. One is factually much worse.
You keep saying I don't know anything, but have provided zero arguments against anything I've said. I've noticed this is your go-to point in most of our conversations, regardless of the topic. Anytime I disagree with any of your usually totally unsupported claims, you tell me I don't know anything and run off to fight another day. It's kind of lame, to be honest. I expect more.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

I never said you wanted Trump, but you did attempt to equate Clinton and Trump as 2 sides to the same coin, which is dishonest and untrue. You brought up debt as a reason why the country was headed towards disaster, but failed to acknowledge that only one candidate, Trump, has received near universal criticism for an economic plan that would drastically worsen both annual deficits and total debt. Even if you believe they are both otherwise dishonest or whatever, economically they are just not similar. One is factually much worse.
You keep saying I don't know anything, but have provided zero arguments against anything I've said. I've noticed this is your go-to point in most of our conversations, regardless of the topic. Anytime I disagree with any of your usually totally unsupported claims, you tell me I don't know anything and run off to fight another day. It's kind of lame, to be honest. I expect more.

Well bro, my opinions about Clinton and Trump are opinions. They are not "true" or "false." Yes, I think they are basically equally bad for the country, perhaps in different ways, but still equally bad. And don't act a fool here- you clearly brought up Trump after my post. I don't know why else you would have done that if you weren't accusing me of being a Trump supporter. Incredibly dishonest here. Again. Come on.

Also, show me where I used the word "debt." Who is being dishonest? Like, I said, I can't have a talk about monetary policy (for the clueless among the readers, not the same thing as "Debt") because you just don't have any idea what I'm talking about. Instead of getting defensive, at least first acknowledge that you have some reading to do before engaging.

You just don't follow ANYTHING I say (never have, probably never will), you just go immediately to your strawmen and your feels. As I've said before, would love to have a conversation. You are the one stopping this from happening. Good grief. Continue the self-righteousness though. You are so persecuted.

I know for the simple minded, it's hard to believe that all political ideology isn't found on the notecard of allowable left-right opinion. Instead of trying to label me as anything, or assume you know where I'm going, try listening. You'd learn a lot.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by EarthBound?

None of the above, I'm going for someone who's libertarian and not any part of the (Good Ole Boys Club) or the system. Maybe they won't win, but at least I'll have a clear conscience if anything goes wrong with the new Pres and their cabinet.

And this is why I made this statement. When things go south with either one of the two "Clinton or Trump", I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I wasn't part of the problem.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by earthbound?

and this is why i made this statement. When things go south with either one of the two "clinton or trump", i'll be able to sleep at night knowing i wasn't part of the problem.

omg why do you love trump so much??

Didn't you know, a vote that's not for Hillary is basically a vote for Trump? Don't throw your vote away- you have to use it to support someone you disagree with entirely. Because reasons.

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by EarthBound?

And this is why I made this statement. When things go south with either one of the two "Clinton or Trump", I'll be able to sleep at night knowing I wasn't part of the problem.

Also, unfortunately the Libertarian Party did not come through either. Bill Weld is almost as bad as they come, and Gary Johnson doesn't even really know what he's talking about. They've already sold their soul at the prospect of getting, I don't know, best case scenario: 10% of the vote. Probably realistically more like 5%.

[Natural510]

Originally Posted by jbcmh81

No more morality! No more diversity! No more Constitution, particularly in regards to freedom of religion and freedom of press! No more governing by American principles! No more economy! No more global allies! Yeehaw!


But really, the GOP is such an unmitigated disaster right now that there's still a chance Trump doesn't even officially become the nominee. Regardless of whether or not he does, there is practically zero chance he wins. There's a high probability he would lose in blowout fashion. I was having serious doubts about America over the winter, but I now think there are enough rational, non-bigots out there to not make it remotely close. All that said, Trump has still opened Pandora's box in terms of hate. Whatever happens after this election, I think something truly nasty is on the rise in the dirty, dark corners of the nation that will be hard to undo.

I thought we'd at least make it past the first page before the arguments started.

[EarthBound?]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

omg why do you love trump so much??

Didn't you know, a vote that's not for Hillary is basically a vote for Trump? Don't throw your vote away- you have to use it to support someone you disagree with entirely. Because reasons.

Sorry, not a Trump Chump. And neither is anyone in my household. But, just sick and tired of all the mud slinging.

[jbcmh81]

Originally Posted by bjimmy24

omg why do you love trump so much??

Didn't you know, a vote that's not for Hillary is basically a vote for Trump? Don't throw your vote away- you have to use it to support someone you disagree with entirely. Because reasons.

Who is making that argument again?