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Old 03-25-2024, 09:38 AM
 
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NJ population is hardly growing. There's plenty of affordable housing, just not in the desirable towns. Developers on the other hand are all for building in the nice areas since that is where they make the big profits.
The least expensive home on the market in Irvington, for example, is $300,000 and they go up to $475,000.

Sure, that's a bargain for NJ but when you factor in crime and school safety and performance I suspect you won't find many people clamoring to get in on the good deals, housing wise.
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Old 03-25-2024, 10:26 AM
 
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so the goal it to make every town economically, ethnically, and every other ally the same? I think what you will see is rich towns will start to merge with smaller poor town and then all of the "poor" people will be in one little area.
Reverse-gerrymandering is part of it. By spreading the affordable housing out they can move Democratic voters to Republican or competitive towns and thereby turn them all Democratic.
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Old 04-06-2024, 02:08 PM
 
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Saddle River gets "affordable" housing.

Make no mistake; one hundred and twelve apartments for "low" and "very low" income households. Complete with all sorts of amenities.

From linked article:

"Lubonski said a nonprofit contracted by the Michaels Organization would provide residents with a full menu” of free social services focused on health and wellness, financial literacy, occupational wellness and stability, academic support, and community engagement. In addition, academic scholarships, worth up to $10,000 a year, would also be available to residents, he said."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...e4bec28e&ei=15

If Saddle River caved Millburn and rest of well off towns won't have a choice. Either they get with the program or developers will use new "affordable housing" scheme to bypass local government and go straight to courts who will of course green light things.
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Old 04-07-2024, 04:33 PM
 
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Saddle River gets "affordable" housing.

Make no mistake; one hundred and twelve apartments for "low" and "very low" income households. Complete with all sorts of amenities.

From linked article:

"Lubonski said a nonprofit contracted by the Michaels Organization would provide residents with a full menu” of free social services focused on health and wellness, financial literacy, occupational wellness and stability, academic support, and community engagement. In addition, academic scholarships, worth up to $10,000 a year, would also be available to residents, he said."


https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/real...e4bec28e&ei=15

If Saddle River caved Millburn and rest of well off towns won't have a choice. Either they get with the program or developers will use new "affordable housing" scheme to bypass local government and go straight to courts who will of course green light things.

It doesn't say low and very low, it says low and moderate incomes. They aren't for section 8 and welfare folks. They don't even accept section 8. They are not what you think they are. A single person has to earn at least $28,000 a year to even qualify for a one bedroom.



"According to a chart with income and rental limits on the Saddle River website, a single person earning the Area Median Income maximum of $55,320 would pay $1,481 a month for a one-bedroom apartment and $1,777 for a two-bedroom."


As for the social services, they all to me sound designed to "teach a man to fish" not hand him a fish. What's wrong with education on financial literacy and academic support? It might help those folks to move up to buy a house there one day.
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Old 04-08-2024, 08:00 AM
 
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It doesn't say low and very low, it says low and moderate incomes. They aren't for section 8 and welfare folks. They don't even accept section 8. They are not what you think they are. A single person has to earn at least $28,000 a year to even qualify for a one bedroom.



"According to a chart with income and rental limits on the Saddle River website, a single person earning the Area Median Income maximum of $55,320 would pay $1,481 a month for a one-bedroom apartment and $1,777 for a two-bedroom."


As for the social services, they all to me sound designed to "teach a man to fish" not hand him a fish. What's wrong with education on financial literacy and academic support? It might help those folks to move up to buy a house there one day.
I sort of agree with what you are saying. And one hundred apartments are not going to change the character of Saddle River. After additional residents move in, more businesses providing every day amenities might open benefiting everyone.

The real question I have is whether Murphy will increase the affordable housing unit requirement from what it is now. Because as it stands, the unit requirements can in generally be followed without drastically altering the character of every town. So for example, Wikipedia says that the population of Saddle river is only 3,372. One or two small apartment buildings with a few hundred apartments will not drastically change the town. But if ten apartment buildings are required to satisfy affordable housing mandate, they will substantially alter the character of the town. I believe that situation is very unfair to the current residents and I would oppose drastic increase in the number of affordable units. I hope this increase will not happen.

So does anyone know if there are plans to increase the umber of affordable units required for every NJ municipality?

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Old 04-08-2024, 12:50 PM
 
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It doesn't say low and very low, it says low and moderate incomes. They aren't for section 8 and welfare folks. They don't even accept section 8. They are not what you think they are. A single person has to earn at least $28,000 a year to even qualify for a one bedroom.



"According to a chart with income and rental limits on the Saddle River website, a single person earning the Area Median Income maximum of $55,320 would pay $1,481 a month for a one-bedroom apartment and $1,777 for a two-bedroom."


As for the social services, they all to me sound designed to "teach a man to fish" not hand him a fish. What's wrong with education on financial literacy and academic support? It might help those folks to move up to buy a house there one day.
Source of income discrimination is illegal in NJ. If someone has Section 8 or any other sort of voucher that covers rent, then this development (or anyone else) must accept them same as any other landlord.

As to rest of it if these persons aren't so busted why is Saddle River providing educational scholarships and whole crate of various schemes and benefits to said renters?
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Old 04-08-2024, 02:10 PM
 
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Source of income discrimination is illegal in NJ. If someone has Section 8 or any other sort of voucher that covers rent, then this development (or anyone else) must accept them same as any other landlord.

As to rest of it if these persons aren't so busted why is Saddle River providing educational scholarships and whole crate of various schemes and benefits to said renters?

I'm going by what I read. The following is from Ocean City Housing Authority:



"Although the duplexes are considered affordable housing, they will not be subsidized, so the tenants must have adequate income to afford the rent. If they fail to pay their rent, they will face eviction."


They also must undergo an extensive criminal background check before being eligible. As well as agree to 9 pages of rules.


“There are house rules, and they’re going to have to be good stewards of the neighborhood. If they don’t, we will have a site manager and they will be enforcing those things and making sure that everybody’s being good members of the neighborhood, like everybody else is” Barr said."


They had over 200 applicants for 10 units. They can pick and choose who to give them to. And like I said, in Saddle River, the minimum income to be accepted for a one-bedroom is $28,000 a year. That would be impossible to get to on welfare programs alone.


They're really not for the kind of people you guys are worried about.


You don't think people making $28,000 a year could benefit from educational assistance or learning how to budget? What do you mean by schemes?
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Old 04-09-2024, 07:37 AM
 
Location: Savannah GA/Lk Hopatcong NJ
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I myself think it's a good thing. Pretty sad when public servants such as teachers, fire and police can't afford to buy in NJ and struggle with the current rents. They also have to reside within NJ can't move to PA or DE.
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Old 04-09-2024, 07:17 PM
 
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What good is cheap housing when everything else is expensive. Democrats just never learn that socialism doesn’t work and always creates more unintended consequences. Someone that can’t afford to live somewhere should not be carried otherwise it becomes a burden.
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