Drivers License Data: Miami Growth Continued In 2023 (Williamsburg, Harlem: rental, house)

[gixxer1000]

https://www.thenextmiami.com/drivers...inued-in-2023/

The out-of-state numbers are down from 2021, when Miami saw a huge surge in migration due to the pandemic. But Miami is still seeing significantly more people moving here than before the pandemic.

Pandemic is over and were still seeing mirgation higher than pre-pandemic levels. Outside of the pandemic there is a shift happening in the US toward souther states.

Overall, there were 21% more licenses exchanged in Miami-Dade last year by those moving from other states compared to 2019. Migration from New York, (+41% in 2023 over 2019), California (+56%), and New Jersey (+29%), was particularly high.

New York is up 41% higher than pre-pandemic levels. I doubt this trend ends anytime soon. NY is currently cutting budgets, reducing cops to the lowest levels in decades, pulling kids out of schools to house migrants, no longer allowing landlords to do criminal background checks, etc. They've got new red light districts popping up like its a third world country.

[Corrie22]

and Calif up 56%.....

somehow Calif went from a $100 billion surplus...to ~$40 billion deficit (expected to double that) in only one year

...Newson wants to drain the rainy day fund now to pay for it

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...llion-deficit/

in the mean time....old backward borderline natzy Florida is floating along with a $billions surplus

[MiamiLIFE]

I have several friends that I left behind in NY and NJ. They're ready to get out. They're getting worse storms than here, anti-semitism is crazy up north, paying taxes for kids that have been displaced from their schools to house migrants, and huge budget deficits that needed to funded through increasing taxes and fees.

[CXT2000]

Can't wait to hear how some people will think this means Miami's population "grew" by 21% lol.

Lets see how many people moved out of MDC....

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

and Calif up 56%.....

somehow Calif went from a $100 billion surplus...to ~$40 billion deficit (expected to double that) in only one year

...Newson wants to drain the rainy day fund now to pay for it

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...llion-deficit/

in the mean time....old backward borderline natzy Florida is floating along with a $billions surplus

Cali is toast. Even the budget surplus was fake as it relied on Federal Covid. Clear cut example of you get what you vote for.

[wanderer34]

Only way to find out if Miami and Miami-Dade County are really growing is to check out the latest US Census estimates. Back in 2019, Miami was estimated to have about 467K people in it's city limits alone, the highest mark Miami ever recorded. Let's see what's in store for 2024 and beyond!!!I'm pretty sure Miami is hovering around the half million mark by now!!!

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

Only way to find out if Miami and Miami-Dade County are really growing is to check out the latest US Census estimates. Back in 2019, Miami was estimated to have about 467K people in it's city limits alone, the highest mark Miami ever recorded. Let's see what's in store for 2024 and beyond!!!I'm pretty sure Miami is hovering around the half million mark by now!!!

449K as of 2022 (estimate), Census for 2020 had it at 442K and according to the 2022 American Community Survey, 443K... Again, over-estimating your Miami growth numbers and not considering how many people are leaving. So you're looking at 1-7K growth over two years depending on your sources... Nothing to write home about.

For other stats: Downtown Miami (DDA district) and not the over-bloated "greater downtown" only has a population of 54,620 (2020, DDA source).

- Brickell (DDA Boundaries): 21.6K
- CBD: 15K
- Arts & Entertainment District: 17.9K

Only pointing these out since stats are fun to compare, but again, on this forum/social media (select few people, ofc) think that Miami is some endless growing city, growing faster than every city in North America, everyone and their mother is moving there, etc... Yet the reality paints a much different picture...

The biggest population boom was during the 2005-2008 boom and some years afterwards, it was cool witnessing that. But growth since then has dwindled and net gain is at minimum or there's a net-loss.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by CXT2000

449K as of 2022 (estimate), Census for 2020 had it at 442K and according to the 2022 American Community Survey, 443K... Again, over-estimating your Miami growth numbers and not considering how many people are leaving. So you're looking at 1-7K growth over two years depending on your sources... Nothing to write home about.

For other stats: Downtown Miami (DDA district) and not the over-bloated "greater downtown" only has a population of 54,620 (2020, DDA source).

- Brickell (DDA Boundaries): 21.6K
- CBD: 15K
- Arts & Entertainment District: 17.9K

Only pointing these out since stats are fun to compare, but again, on this forum/social media (select few people, ofc) think that Miami is some endless growing city, growing faster than every city in North America, everyone and their mother is moving there, etc... Yet the reality paints a much different picture...

The biggest population boom was during the 2005-2008 boom and some years afterwards, it was cool witnessing that. But growth since then has dwindled and net gain is at minimum or there's a net-loss.

I believe that because a lot of Latinos and blacks, who historically have been undercounted in every US Census cycle, didn't participate in larger numbers, plus a lot of undocumented immigrants stayed off the radar during the 2020 US Census cycle, is the reason why Miami only grew by about 10% in 2020.

Miami and Miami-Dade are both Latino-majority entities, and since there are Latinos who were scared of being counted by US Census due to Trump's edict of not wanting undocumented immigrants to be counted, as well as the COVID-19 pandemic, which didn't help Miami and FL's case of having higher numbers, as well as another congressional seat, the result is that Miami, Miami-Dade, and FL didn't get the higher numbers that it was supposed to get in 2020.

I'm not discounting that people are leaving Miami for the Miami suburbs, or other counties within South FL, other cities in FL, or even out of state, but the inflow of people who are either migrating from other states such as NY, NJ, PA, IL, or as far away as CA, and especially the immigration from places such as Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Nicaragua, or other points in the Caribbean is going to ensure that FL will continue to have a healthy flow of people entering FL for the long term, and Miami will especially continue to be the showcase city of FL!

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

I'm not discounting that people are leaving Miami for the Miami suburbs, or other counties within South FL, other cities in FL, or even out of state, but the inflow of people who are either migrating from other states such as NY, NJ, PA, IL, or as far away as CA, and especially the immigration from places such as Cuba, Venezuela, Colombia, Nicaragua, or other points in the Caribbean is going to ensure that FL will continue to have a healthy flow of people entering FL for the long term, and Miami will especially continue to be the showcase city of FL!

I agree here. Just looking at net domestic migration for the city limits of only Miami doesn't really paint a clear picture. First of all on a total population level the Miami MSA is growing. We were losing on the net domestic migration but when you factor in internation migration we are growing.

Furthermore you have to look at who is leaving and who is coming. We have high income young people moving in and lower income people moving to more affordable parts of Florida. This is a positive for not only Miami but Florida in general.

The higher income earners coming in are helping Miami grow without burdening the system. They can support higher property tax which leads to more money for schools and other public services. I've seen this directly in my neighborhood where the local school rating has increased over the past 5 years. Then the lower income households are moving to more affordable Florida locations adding additional residents to younger cities that need that growth. It's pretty much a win-win for Florida. Which is why Florida is gaining populationand NY is losing population.

Contrast this with Cali and NY where you have high income earners leaving from locations where the infrastrucutre is already maxed. You now have the people who pay a disproportinate amount for these systems leaving meaning they either have to cut services or raise taxes on the people left. Both of these options encourage more people to leave and a vicous cycle is created.

Also unlike these other cities Miami is set to see rental rates decline addressing a huge concern affordability.

https://thecapitolist.com/florida-re...ggest-fallers/

The Miami metro area, in particular, has seen depressed rent prices, plummeting by 9.72 percent year-over-year, and positioning itself as the second-largest decrease among U.S. metropolitan areas.

Meanwhile NY and LA rents are both up over 5%.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

I agree here. Just looking at net domestic migration for the city limits of only Miami doesn't really paint a clear picture. First of all on a total population level the Miami MSA is growing. We were losing on the net domestic migration but when you factor in internation migration we are growing.

Furthermore you have to look at who is leaving and who is coming. We have high income young people moving in and lower income people moving to more affordable parts of Florida. This is a positive for not only Miami but Florida in general.

The higher income earners coming in are helping Miami grow without burdening the system. They can support higher property tax which leads to more money for schools and other public services. I've seen this directly in my neighborhood where the local school rating has increased over the past 5 years. Then the lower income households are moving to more affordable Florida locations adding additional residents to younger cities that need that growth. It's pretty much a win-win for Florida. Which is why Florida is gaining populationand NY is losing population.

I believe the high income migrants will either move to the barrier islands of Miami-Dade or as close to the Miami waterfront as possible. Further inland has always been the preserve of immigrants from Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Colombia, and blacks, while in Broward, you're seeing a lot of blacks and Latinos moving into their own enclaves.

Also, areas such as SW FL are actually benefitting from migration from FL, to the point where Lee County may have over a million people by 2030 while Collier County may reach to half a million people during the same time. Only thing SW FL needs is a high speed rail link between SW and South FL and you'll have an interconnected region.

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

Contrast this with Cali and NY where you have high income earners leaving from locations where the infrastrucutre is already maxed. You now have the people who pay a disproportinate amount for these systems leaving meaning they either have to cut services or raise taxes on the people left. Both of these options encourage more people to leave and a vicous cycle is created.

Also unlike these other cities Miami is set to see rental rates decline addressing a huge concern affordability.

https://thecapitolist.com/florida-re...ggest-fallers/



Meanwhile NY and LA rents are both up over 5%.

Lowering rental rates and even providing affordable housing within South FL will keep it still attractive for immigrants and still allow South FL to maintain it's immigrant enclaves unlike NY, in which areas such as Harlem, Bed Stay, Bushwick, Williamsburg, Greenpoint, and even ad far as Jamaica, Queens have been prone to rampant gentrification, and in the process, losing a lot of immigrants to other areas of NY State, or worse, out of NY State to other states.