Drivers License Data: Miami Growth Continued In 2023 (Tampa, Orlando: home, incomes)

[gixxer1000]

New census data out:

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...ains-2023.html

While Miami continues to have a net negative domestic mirgration overall the county is continueing to grow in overall population due to leading the nation in international migration. It's worth noting the people leaving seem to be going to other parts of the state like Tampa for example which is growing a lot.

Miami is currently the 7th most populated county in the US with number 5 and 6 both decreasing in population while Miami continues go gain.

California and NY continue decreasing in populatoin.

[wanderer34]

The following links claim that Miami-Dade leads all US counties in international growth. There's currently negative domestic growth, meaning American citizens are leaving Miami-Dade, but Miami-Dade continues to attract a lot of immigrants from around the world, beating NYC and Harris County for that title!!!

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...ains-2023.html

https://www.thenextmiami.com/census-...rowth-in-2023/

[kbtoy7891]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

The following links claim that Miami-Dade leads all US counties in international growth. There's currently negative domestic growth, meaning American citizens are leaving Miami-Dade, but Miami-Dade continues to attract a lot of immigrants from around the world, beating NYC and Harris County for that title!!!

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...ains-2023.html

https://www.thenextmiami.com/census-...rowth-in-2023/

The county of Miami-Dade did not outpace the city of NYC in international migration.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/21/new-yo...rants-in-2023/

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by kbtoy7891

The county of Miami-Dade did not outpace the city of NYC in international migration.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/21/new-yo...rants-in-2023/

There's a clear difference between the asylum seekers and the illegal migrants that are being sent to blue states from the southern border such as NY, IL, and CA, and the immigrants that are just coming legally, and in 2023, Miami-Dade leads all counties including NYC in the number of legal immigrants coming to the US, according the the US Census!!!

[kbtoy7891]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

There's a clear difference between the asylum seekers and the illegal migrants that are being sent to blue states from the southern border such as NY, IL, and CA, and the immigrants that are just coming legally, and in 2023, Miami-Dade leads all counties including NYC in the number of legal immigrants coming to the US, according the the US Census!!!

It leads all counties. It does not lead “NYC.” Neither does the Miami MSA lead NYC.
NYC is not a county. The city of NYC leads all, by a very large margin. This includes legal immigrants. It’s not close. This is also “according to the US census.”

Miami gets A LOT of illegals too.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

New census data out:

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...ains-2023.html

While Miami continues to have a net negative domestic mirgration overall the county is continueing to grow in overall population due to leading the nation in international migration. It's worth noting the people leaving seem to be going to other parts of the state like Tampa for example which is growing a lot.

Miami is currently the 7th most populated county in the US with number 5 and 6 both decreasing in population while Miami continues go gain.

California and NY continue decreasing in populatoin.

It looks like out of all of 67 FL counties, Lee County in SW FL has one the fastest population growths in the state (8.1% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Co...a#Demographics), along with Polk county in central FL (8.6% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polk_C...a#Demographics), and Pasco County in the Tampa Bay Area(8.3% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasco_...a#Demographics).

I personally believe that while it seems that all of South FL (Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach) seems flat when it comes to growth, SW FL has been growing by leaps and bounds with no end in sight as of today, and it also looks like some of the commuters will be either going to either Miami or Ft Lauderdale as far as employment is concerned, possibly creating an even bigger CSA (https://www.city-data.com/forum/fort...-south-fl.html). Hopefully Brightline is star enough to build a couple of lines connecting both Naples and Ft Myers in the near future!

[kbtoy7891]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

It looks like out of all of 67 FL counties, Lee County in SW FL has one the fastest population growths in the state (8.1% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Co...a#Demographics), along with Polk county in central FL (8.6% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polk_C...a#Demographics), and Pasco County in the Tampa Bay Area(8.3% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasco_...a#Demographics).

I personally believe that while it seems that all of South FL (Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach) seems flat when it comes to growth, SW FL has been growing by leaps and bounds with no end in sight as of today, and it also looks like some of the commuters will be either going to either Miami or Ft Lauderdale as far as employment is concerned, possibly creating an even bigger CSA (https://www.city-data.com/forum/fort...-south-fl.html). Hopefully Brightline is star enough to build a couple of lines connecting both Naples and Ft Myers in the near future!

The Miami-Orlando line has been very successful so far. I think it all falls on how well the Tampa connection does. If it succeeds/meets/exceeds expectations, there will undoubtedly be a loop down to Naples back to Miami.
The I4 corridor between Orlando and Tampa is heavily trafficked, so it all falls on how well Hillsborough County incorporates and welcomes this addition. It SHOULD be immensely successful. We can only hope they play their cards right. Given their recent track record, I’m not too sure.

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by kbtoy7891

It leads all counties. It does not lead “NYC.” Neither does the Miami MSA lead NYC.
NYC is not a county. The city of NYC leads all, by a very large margin. This includes legal immigrants. It’s not close. This is also “according to the US census.”

Miami gets A LOT of illegals too.

The US Census link that I posted is based on counties, not cities!!! In the case of NYC, that city constitutes 5 boroughs, and each borough is it's own county. There's a reason why each borough has it's own DA, as well as a borough president, because it's also a county. If you split up each borough (or county) 5 ways, that just breaks down NYC's total. So, in this case, Miami-Dade leads all NY counties (including each of NYC's 5 boroughs), and all US counties, in international migration, followed by Harris County, TX. I should know, as I was born and raised in Brooklyn.

Originally Posted by kbtoy7891

The Miami-Orlando line has been very successful so far. I think it all falls on how well the Tampa connection does. If it succeeds/meets/exceeds expectations, there will undoubtedly be a loop down to Naples back to Miami.
The I4 corridor between Orlando and Tampa is heavily trafficked, so it all falls on how well Hillsborough County incorporates and welcomes this addition. It SHOULD be immensely successful. We can only hope they play their cards right. Given their recent track record, I’m not too sure.

It's inevitable that the link to Tampa happens sooner or later. I doubt such a loop happens. I do believe that a couple of branches will come out of Miami to Naples and Ft Myers, but I'm not sure if such a HSR link to Tampa from SW FL will be even a possibility, since South FL is the biggest MSA in FL, and Miami is the biggest CBD in FL, as well, followed by Ft Lauderdale.

Only way FL gets a HSR link from SW FL is that it's going to have to prove it's just as strong as a CBD as Miami, and while Tampa's CBD is mid sized, it's just no Miami!

[kbtoy7891]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

The US Census link that I posted is based on counties, not cities!!! In the case of NYC, that city constitutes 5 boroughs, and each borough is it's own county. There's a reason why each borough has it's own DA, as well as a borough president, because it's also a county. If you split up each borough (or county) 5 ways, that just breaks down NYC's total. So, in this case, Miami-Dade leads all NY counties (including each of NYC's 5 boroughs), and all US counties, in international migration, followed by Harris County, TX. I should know, as I was born and raised in Brooklyn.



It's inevitable that the link to Tampa happens sooner or later. I doubt such a loop happens. I do believe that a couple of branches will come out of Miami to Naples and Ft Myers, but I'm not sure if such a HSR link to Tampa from SW FL will be even a possibility, since South FL is the biggest MSA in FL, and Miami is the biggest CBD in FL, as well, followed by Ft Lauderdale.

Only way FL gets a HSR link from SW FL is that it's going to have to prove it's just as strong as a CBD as Miami, and while Tampa's CBD is mid sized, it's just no Miami!

Ah. Well you should have been more specific. Seemed like you meant Miami-Dade was higher than NYC, the city. NYC the city is still at over double Miami MSA’s immigration numbers.

As for HSR, Tampa doesn’t need to be like Miami. Right now, it needs to match Orlando, which is currently experiencing a massive infrastructure boom. I don’t think any city in Florida wants to be like Miami, which, quite frankly, is kind of disastrous.

[gixxer1000]

Miami and NYC are in opposite positions. NYC is losing domestic population and international immigration is not high enough to offset the loses and therefore ending up in a net loss of population. Miami is losing domestic population and international immigration is more than offseting that loss and therefore ending up in a net gain in population.

There is some doubt as to wheter the census has captured all of the illegal immigrants in their calculation. However this if anything is a negative to NY. The whole reason were talking about population growth is becuase the added population adds to the growth of a city. These illegal immigrants are a burden on the city as they are dependents of the city and adding no additional economic output and are only draining city resources.

So overall NYC is losing tax paying residents with jobs while gaining non tax paying residents with no jobs. Miami is losing tax paying residents and replaceing them with more tax paying residents that have higher incomes.