Drivers License Data: Miami Growth Continued In 2023

[wanderer34]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

Miami and NYC are in opposite positions. NYC is losing domestic population and international immigration is not high enough to offset the loses and therefore ending up in a net loss of population. Miami is losing domestic population and international immigration is more than offseting that loss and therefore ending up in a net gain in population.

There is some doubt as to wheter the census has captured all of the illegal immigrants in their calculation. However this if anything is a negative to NY. The whole reason were talking about population growth is becuase the added population adds to the growth of a city. These illegal immigrants are a burden on the city as they are dependents of the city and adding no additional economic output and are only draining city resources.

So overall NYC is losing tax paying residents with jobs while gaining non tax paying residents with no jobs. Miami is losing tax paying residents and replaceing them with more tax paying residents that have higher incomes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/02/u...oll-shows.html

The link above proves that red states such as TX and FL aren't boding well for Biden, due to his handling of the southern border, plus the fact that both the national economy and inflation have been out of control. FL and NY are perfect examples of where the trajectory of this country is headed to. NYC will be the economic, and financial center of this country for decades to come, but even so, it's lost a lot of Fortune 500 companies, mainly to the South.

There used to be a time when NYC companies made up about a tenth of the F500, now the number of companies that are HQed in NYC are less than 40 (and declining). Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta have picked up those companies or are increasing their number of F500 companies, and FL is attracting a lot of those financial companies that have once called NYC home for decades.

The immigrants that are coming to FL are immigrants from many parts of Latin America. However, despite Trump's desires to deport many immigrants, the ones from Cuba, Nicaragua, and especially Venezuela are going to be very hard to deport only because those countries' gov't's are very hostile to the US, and many of those fleeing those countries have already applied for asylum due to those gov't's oppressive regimes. Many others, such as the rest of Central Americans, Mexicans, and many other locales are seeing deportation hovering over their heads, but many Cubans, Nicaraguans, and Venezuelans (who have their largest presences in FL, BTW), are mainly going to stay in the US!

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

The following links claim that Miami-Dade leads all US counties in international growth. There's currently negative domestic growth, meaning American citizens are leaving Miami-Dade, but Miami-Dade continues to attract a lot of immigrants from around the world, beating NYC and Harris County for that title!!!

https://www.census.gov/newsroom/pres...ains-2023.html

https://www.thenextmiami.com/census-...rowth-in-2023/

14K net population growth, this brings it back to what was seen between 2017-2019, so it is back to pre-pandemic levels after a few years of net decreases. Metro Miami grew by 43.3K, which is very small for a large metro area, but also makes sense given how expensive everything has gotten here.

Definitely not surprised by Dallas/Huston being 1 &2 though, that has been the case since pre-pandemic as well.

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by CXT2000

14K net population growth, this brings it back to what was seen between 2017-2019, so it is back to pre-pandemic levels after a few years of net decreases. Metro Miami grew by 43.3K, which is very small for a large metro area, but also makes sense given how expensive everything has gotten here.

Definitely not surprised by Dallas/Huston being 1 &2 though, that has been the case since pre-pandemic as well.

The 43k population growth of the Miami MSA puts it in the top 10 of MSA's. By your standards the insane growth of Texas is the only place in the entire country of notable growth which is ridiculus.

Then you state the fact everything is getting expensive and miss the obvoius. If the growth wasn't substantiall for the area then things wouldn't be getting expensive. Not only is Miami growing, but its also replacing lower income people with higher income people thereby causing prices to go up.

The people leaving are not leaving the state but instead going to less expensive parts of the state with Tampa and Orlando being the 4th and 5th MSA's with the most growth.

So Miami is a growing MSA that is establishing itself as the high end destination in a state that is the second fastest growing state in the nation.

The only way to try to spin this as not positive is trying to say "well it's not doing as good as Texas", even though on a percentage basis Florida is doing better ranked #2 and Texas ranked #3. Great news for Miami, great news for Florida, great news for Texas.

The places losing out are NY and Cali.

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

The 43k population growth of the Miami MSA puts it in the top 10 of MSA's. By your standards the insane growth of Texas is the only place in the entire country of notable growth which is ridiculus.

Then you state the fact everything is getting expensive and miss the obvoius. If the growth wasn't substantiall for the area then things wouldn't be getting expensive. Not only is Miami growing, but its also replacing lower income people with higher income people thereby causing prices to go up.

The people leaving are not leaving the state but instead going to less expensive parts of the state with Tampa and Orlando being the 4th and 5th MSA's with the most growth.

So Miami is a growing MSA that is establishing itself as the high end destination in a state that is the second fastest growing state in the nation.

The only way to try to spin this as not positive is trying to say "well it's not doing as good as Texas", even though on a percentage basis Florida is doing better ranked #2 and Texas ranked #3. Great news for Miami, great news for Florida, great news for Texas.

The places losing out are NY and Cali.

I see you are taking everything I said and blowing it out of proportion... typical on this forum.

I never said anything negative, 43.3K net growth is healthy, and as you said, puts it in the top 10 nationwide, which is fantastic. I only mentioned Dallas/Houston because it has been the standard of growth as of late and it is pretty remarkable that it is maintaining that pace... that's it.

If you can't get that through your head, I can't help you there bud.

[gixxer1000]

Originally Posted by CXT2000

I see you are taking everything I said and blowing it out of proportion... typical on this forum.

I never said anything negative, 43.3K net growth is healthy, and as you said, puts it in the top 10 nationwide, which is fantastic. I only mentioned Dallas/Houston because it has been the standard of growth as of late and it is pretty remarkable that it is maintaining that pace... that's it.

If you can't get that through your head, I can't help you there bud.

So is the growth "very small" as you first stated or "healthy" which you are now stating?

[kbtoy7891]

Originally Posted by gixxer1000

So is the growth "very small" as you first stated or "healthy" which you are now stating?

Both, very small, but still healthy. Any growth is "healthy."

[CXT2000]

Originally Posted by kbtoy7891

Both, very small, but still healthy. Any growth is "healthy."

You understand me, thank you.

Small and moderate growth is better than growing at breakneck speed and not keeping up with that, too many risks associated with that.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by wanderer34

It looks like out of all of 67 FL counties, Lee County in SW FL has one the fastest population growths in the state (8.1% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Co...a#Demographics), along with Polk county in central FL (8.6% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polk_C...a#Demographics), and Pasco County in the Tampa Bay Area(8.3% as of 2022; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasco_...a#Demographics).

I personally believe that while it seems that all of South FL (Miami-Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach) seems flat when it comes to growth, SW FL has been growing by leaps and bounds with no end in sight as of today, and it also looks like some of the commuters will be either going to either Miami or Ft Lauderdale as far as employment is concerned, possibly creating an even bigger CSA (https://www.city-data.com/forum/fort...-south-fl.html). Hopefully Brightline is star enough to build a couple of lines connecting both Naples and Ft Myers in the near future!

SW Florida doesn't need, or want, any passenger trains like Brightline that lose Billions of Dollars, kill people, damage the environment, & disrupt traffic.

What's Brightline's life-to-date loss in $'s and lives in SE FLA? Are those losses still breaking bad? The more miles of rail they open, the more $ they lose, & the more lives are lost.

Wait until the Billions its losing gets shoved onto tapayers, then tell us how great it is...oh, & why aren't we seeing any systemwide ridership passenger load averages released to the press? Answer...because they're bad.

Brightline is a massive Boondoggle...please keep it over there, & leave SW FLA out of that train wreck