04-30-2012, 05:46 PM
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Im just skeptical about any "categories".
Dallas where I live is "sub-tropical". I bet you dont see anyone in shorts around here in mid January. Plus we get tons of snow and ice. Our temps are way different than Orlando which is also "sub-tropical". What Im trying to say its, there has to be more subclimates than the ones specified before. Also, these categories are very simplistic. Hence, Miami, would not be tropical or sub-tropical but some New transitional undefined category.
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You are over complicating what tropical means. Dallas is sub-tropical for the reasons you specified, because you have seasons (fall/winter) whereas a true tropical doesn't have Fall/Winter and is warm year round. Dallas in the summer though I can bet you that it has characteristics of that similar to tropical weather (humidity/rain etc.) that's why it's called sub-tropical, because it does have some characteristics of tropical weather but not quite 100%. Miami on the other hand is warm year round and does not have fall/winter like the rest of the country does, those are characteristics of a true tropical climate, and that's what separates tropical vs sub-tropical. Miami isn't in the tropics, but it has tropical
climate
04-30-2012, 06:22 PM
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That is the most idiotic thing I have read yet, it either IS or it ISNT it can't be "well kinda sorta both". Climate in Miami is EITHER more like Jacksonville (which is sub tropical -which it's not) OR it's more of that seen in other tropical locations, but it can't be "Well, it's a transition so it's kinda sorta inbetween" The facts, the charts, the data shows Miami/South Florida is Tropical climate, it is not in the tropics, we ALL know that.. There is a difference from actually being in tropics to actually having a tropical climate.. I don't know how much simpler it can be explained.
Idiotic? Look up the definition of transition. Why does Miami have to neatly fall into a label that you choose to put?
04-30-2012, 06:24 PM
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Not trying to be difficult, bro. I'm just saying that those latitudinal lines are man made and are not absolute, where climate and weather phenomena are concerned. Havana and Miami are very, VERY close in relative proximity to one another. Havana barely rests below the TOC and Miami, barely above it.
I'm from Boston and really couldn't care less. All I know is, to ME, it sure as bleep FEELS tropical! lol! And if you look at the actual definition of tropical, you would see that Miami very much falls into the category, one or two cold snaps aside.
That imaginary line, of which you spoke, is blurred when you're that close to each other.
The same argument you're making against Miami's tropical(?) climate, can be made for Havana's. And IF, for argument's sake, Miami's climate is NOT tropical, will you at least concede, that it's damned close?!
Yes, the lines of latitude are man made, so are the arameters of what tropical is. All along I have said Miami is similar to Havana, Cancun, which are tropical. It is just as similar to Tampa and Orlando though, which are not tropical.
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You make points but in all respect you are wrong or just do not understand what we the "tropical" group is saying.
Climate classification does not have the class of "transitional zone" It is
either a tropical climate or not. If we do the
MATH , again if we do that
math the
math comes out to making Miami a tropical climate. We are only talking about climate, not what it looks like, not what it feels like, not what plants grow here, not what the water looks like, not what music is played here just whether the average temp and rain fall is. That is all we care about temp and rain fall. The temp and rain fall make Miami a tropical climate. There is no "in between" climate. That is what we are talking about. I understand what you are saying, Miami is certainly not "as tropical" as other tropical climate locations but the simple math and science says it is.
There is no "in-between" climate that is what we are saying. Miami is tropical according to the most widely used climate classifcation systems. You are saying its science, I am trying to show that the science says Miami is tropical. It is a simple math which I did myself a few years ago.
Of course there are different climate classfications, I am going by the ones I prefer and the ones I used the most while studying geography in college. We agree on most things so agree to disagree.
Having trouble with the keyboard there?
I just disagree, it isn't that I am wrong. Why attack me?
You are right, Miami is one or the other, and it is subtropical. But that is a boxed in, forced definition. It is a mix of both since it is right on the line which separates both. Arguments can be made on either side, but with you math examples, lows in the 20s and 30s do not allow Miami to be tropical. Being noth of the TOC does not allow Miami to be tropical. So those are the defining parameters. I chose not to say Miami is subtropical because that doesn't portray an accurate picture, but if I have to choose a camp, that is the one.
I believe you are from DC, so I get why you think Miami is tropical. But someone as knowledgeable as you from a tropical place south of here, would understand the other point of view and see why Miami is NOT tropical. But why do you care so much what I think about this???
04-30-2012, 07:17 PM
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I love how some people just SWEAR that it is Sub-tropical, but yet can never seem to post any data supporting it..
04-30-2012, 08:19 PM
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I just disagree, it isn't that I am wrong. Why attack me?
You are right, Miami is one or the other, and it is subtropical. But that is a boxed in, forced definition. It is a mix of both since it is right on the line which separates both. Arguments can be made on either side, but with you math examples, lows in the 20s and 30s do not allow Miami to be tropical. Being noth of the TOC does not allow Miami to be tropical. So those are the defining parameters. I chose not to say Miami is subtropical because that doesn't portray an accurate picture, but if I have to choose a camp, that is the one.
I believe you are from DC, so I get why you think Miami is tropical. But someone as knowledgeable as you from a tropical place south of here, would understand the other point of view and see why Miami is NOT tropical. But why do you care so much what I think about this???
I am from Miami, I was in between Miami and DC for four years. I know the difference, DC is sub-tropical, humid warm summers, cold/cool winters. Jacksonville is sub-tropical Miami is not what Jacksonville and DC are. If you are chosing personally to not follow the climate classfication system that is fine, that is your choice. But it is just wrong to say science says Miami is not tropical. The average temps and rain fall per month never fall below a certain point. Lets remember Miami has the gulfstream current right on its shores helping it out. Physical location does not define climate.
But at least you are making some good points unlike the "other guy". I see your point. If you don't follow the classfication system personally then yes you could consider Miami some transition zone.
04-30-2012, 08:27 PM
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A couple of cold spells days per year does not equate Miami to being sub tropical. For the person who compared Miami climate to Orlando and classified both as sub tropical is ridiculous. Not that Miami is the ideal tropical climate, but it just barely fits the criteria. Miami can grow plants that a typical subtropical city cannot (ex: coconut palms). On the flip side, there are subtropical plants that don't look healthy in Miami (ex: magnolias).
Now, for those saying Miami is subtropical: What does the word subtropical mean to you? I don't think a couple of cold spells a year should make a city subtropical.
05-01-2012, 08:29 AM
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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For those folks who claim that Miami doesn't have a tropical climate because....
It's not within the tropical zone itself
There can be a few cool days in the Winter
...consider that it can snow within the actual Tropics. The reality is that weather does not function based on a man made "line in the sand". Weather is influenced by a variety of geographic criteria including mountain heights, ocean currents, etc.
It's also important to understand that the weather zones themselves are created and mapped by mankind based on agreed upon criteria. Miami and much of South Florida falls within that criteria.
Now, that all said, we all perceive weather relative to our own experiences. For example, I hear people in NC complain about Summer humidity but, for me, it's nothing compared to the humidity that I experience in the Summer in Miami.
05-01-2012, 08:45 AM
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The Tropic of Cancer is a REAL AREA on eart where the CURVE IS DIFFERENT. Look at picture of the planet from the side. You will SEE the steep curve on that area. It is NOT man made. It is NOT like the Mason Dixon line!
We named it a certain thing and draw a line but the AREA on the Tropic of Cancer is DIFFERENT curvature wise. Which is part of the reason for intense sun along with tilt.
Furthermore ALL areas in elevation get cold. This observation however does NOT make Miami tropical. Miami is SUBTROPICAL meaning IMMEDIATELY north of Tropic of Cancer.
Miami on south are the ONLY SUBTROPICAL places in the Unites States ( as well as South Texas 26 N
CURVE OF THE EARTH at the Tropic of Cancer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/newtoearth/2511727698/
Florida Cuba from space - CURVE of earth- Tropic of Cancer - STEEP
http://www.desktopmedia.eu/templates/minimal/timthumbnew.php?src=data/media/14/Florida_Space.jpg&a=c&h=445&w=1089&zc=1 &
People are LAZY. The sources - MANY OF THEM- are available on Google
MIAMI IS SUBTROPICAL.
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People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)