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You are still missing the point. They (the Jews) weren't the only ones living there and neither were the Arabs or the Christians. That area was occupied by all three religions but the majority of the settlers were the Arabs (Palestinians) and they were the ones who were forced out of their homes and land. I don't need a history lesson on this but explain to me what happened in 1948 and how was this fair to the Palestinians who occupied land there and were living there at that time? Was it OK for them to be removed from their homes and land? If you were a Jew in the same position as the Palestinians how would you react? If you look at this whole situation objectively you might get a better understanding as to why there is so much conflict in the area.
FYI there were Jews settled in lands that were to be parceled to the Arabs in Palestine 1947. It wasn't a one way street. Those settlers were also going to have to make a decision of living under Arab rule or uprooting themselves and move to Jewish controlled lands.
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I don't need a history lesson on this but explain to me what happened in 1948 and how was this fair to the Palestinians who occupied land there and were living there at that time
What wasn't fair about it? The majority of Palestinians were given an opportunity to self-rule, free to create a new country in their image. The Palestinians were given large tracts of fertile and useful land in the north, the west bank and Gaza. Israel did end up with the lions share of land but most of it was useless desert land still not actively used even today. A large minority of Arabs now found themselves under the rule of Israel/Jews and sad to say the majority of those listened to Arab leaders and voluntarily moved from their homes to evade the approaching Arab armies. And yes, a sizeable number of Arabs in Israel in 1948 were expelled by the Israeli Army due to a number of reasons but not near the 650000+ that were left as "refugees".
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Was it OK for them to be removed from their homes and land?
Obviously, the answer is no. But it was a small minority of the Arab population in Israel that were actively expelled, primarily due to military necessity.
FYI there were Jews settled in lands that were to be parceled to the Arabs in Palestine 1947. It wasn't a one way street. Those settlers were also going to have to make a decision of living under Arab rule or uprooting themselves and move to Jewish controlled lands.
What wasn't fair about it? The majority of Palestinians were given an opportunity to self-rule, free to create a new country in their image. The Palestinians were given large tracts of fertile and useful land in the north, the west bank and Gaza. Israel did end up with the lions share of land but most of it was useless desert land still not actively used even today. A large minority of Arabs now found themselves under the rule of Israel/Jews and sad to say the majority of those listened to Arab leaders and voluntarily moved from their homes to evade the approaching Arab armies. And yes, a sizeable number of Arabs in Israel in 1948 were expelled by the Israeli Army due to a number of reasons but not near the 650000+ that were left as "refugees".
Obviously, the answer is no. But it was a small minority of the Arab population in Israel that were actively expelled, primarily due to military necessity.
You can't really sugar coat this. A lot of people were left homeless and they (the Palestinians) still hold a grudge over this and can't seem to get past it. Sadly they are using this as fuel to their constant acts of terrorism. I'm not sure what they're hoping to accomplish as everything they do seems to do backfires. Unless they denounce Hamas and all the acts of terrorism this fight will continue to go on.
You are still missing the point. They (the Jews) weren't the only ones living there and neither were the Arabs or the Christians. That area was occupied by all three religions but the majority of the settlers were the Arabs (Palestinians) and they were the ones who were forced out of their homes and land. I don't need a history lesson on this but explain to me what happened in 1948 and how was this fair to the Palestinians who occupied land there and were living there at that time? Was it OK for them to be removed from their homes and land? If you were a Jew in the same position as the Palestinians how would you react? If you look at this whole situation objectively you might get a better understanding as to why there is so much conflict in the area.
Which is why Israel pulled their citizens out of Gaza in 2006, and the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas as their governing body... and they've probably regretted it ever since because they're abusive tyrants.
Interestingly enough, Israel is home to 2 million Arabs. They have full civil rights, serve in the government and military, and go about their lives in a functioning democracy. So there's that.
Which is why Israel pulled their citizens out of Gaza in 2006, and the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas as their governing body... and they've probably regretted it ever since because they're abusive tyrants.
Interestingly enough, Israel is home to 2 million Arabs. They have full civil rights, serve in the government and military, and go about their lives in a functioning democracy. So there's that.
Yes, and the Palestinian population in the area has more than doubled (and yet the pro-Palestinian/anti-Israel mob mindlessly chants “genocide”). Who falls for that argument?
And the pro - Palestinian/anti-Israel mob mindlessly chants “apartheid” in the face of integrated Jewish society. Who falls for that argument?
Falling in with the pro- Palestinian/anti-Israel mob means swallowing and parroting some pretty embarrassing lies.
The whole Pro Palestinian/anti-Israel movement, like so much of what we see from the academic left, is based upon (and sustained by) blatant lies.
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Which is why Israel pulled their citizens out of Gaza in 2006, and the Palestinians ELECTED Hamas as their governing body... and they've probably regretted it ever since because they're abusive tyrants.
Interestingly enough, Israel is home to 2 million Arabs. They have full civil rights, serve in the government and military, and go about their lives in a functioning democracy. So there's that.
Israel also recently sold drones to Azerbaijan which were used in their genocide against Armenian christians.
Their body count in Palestine is over 5,500. Compared to Palestinian killing less than 300 Israelis during this conflict dating back to 2008.
Israel aren't some saints in all of this.
And I am very curious why people jump like puppets to defend the Jews all the time.
Why aren't people jumping up to defend Yemen, or all those massacred in various African nations? How about the Uyghurs in China where they have been essentially put in concentration camps, murdered and organ trafficked in huge numbers. Yes, over 1.5M Uyghurs thrown in Muslim concentration camps in China.
But no one cares. Because the MSM hasn't told them to.
Why aren't people jumping up to defend Yemen, or all those massacred in various African nations? How about the Uyghurs in China where they have been essentially put in concentration camps, murdered and organ trafficked in huge numbers. Yes, over 1.5M Uyghurs thrown in Muslim concentration camps in China.
But no one cares. Because the MSM hasn't told them to.
You know that people can care about multiple issues at once, right?
The Jews were also homeless refugees when Israel pulled out of Gaza. The IDF removed Israelis and their dead were exhumed from cemeteries. No one speaks about the current Jewish refugees who lost everything, including their homes and possessions when Hamas burnt their homes and families. It was not just Jews who were taken hostage or killed and/or burned alive. Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims were also taken hostage. The farm animals and pets were also butchered. Only the cruel shoot cows and goats for the fun of it. CNN does not mention how the Thai government has met with the Israeli government and is part of the hostage negotiations. They are just quiet about it. The Bedouins seem to be caught in the middle. They live semi-nomadic lives out in the desert where they don't have bomb shelters. Some have gotten killed over the years from Hamas rockets. Hamas caused a mess. Chaos and instability is their goal.
Why aren't people jumping up to defend Yemen, or all those massacred in various African nations? How about the Uyghurs in China where they have been essentially put in concentration camps, murdered and organ trafficked in huge numbers. Yes, over 1.5M Uyghurs thrown in Muslim concentration camps in China.
But no one cares. Because the MSM hasn't told them to.
It's because Israel and their supporters are wealthy, influential and control the narrative as to what is going on in the world and what is important. Also not many care about poor people.
You know that people can care about multiple issues at once, right?
They can also not care about any of those issues at once. The only issue I care about is what's good for America, and most of the time the world is better off when we're not sticking our fat snouts in other countries' business to drive up the share prices of Raytheon and Boeing (e.g., 2016-2020).
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