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Old 11-20-2020, 11:13 AM
 
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Everyone hates school admins, until they try to do it. Most cushy union teachers couldn't get paid enough to take those jobs. Would you leave a 35hr wk, lifetime benefits cush job paying $140k for a 100hr week (24/7), deal w/ Newsday, parents, teachers and union, cops, politicians, utilities, civic groups, staff, every angry cranky whiny person in the district for $235k?! That is why Supts get the money. Cause NO ONE wants the job and they have to do national searches or double dip into previous appointees to find them. Teachers on the other hand make the money because of a) powerful union b) ignorant voters c) weak boards (see b). Wrap up the winnings in contracts that promise the moon to alleviate potential work stoppages (strikes) and you have our mess. It's not the 3 or 4 admins wrecking budgets, it's the thousands of teachers with guaranteed contractual and step raises. But really, it's still US, because WE vote in the boards and they determine what everyone gets paid. If you don't like it, vote in a better one. Good luck with that. Seems only ding dongs with silly personal agendas join school boards these days.
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Old 11-20-2020, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Nassau County
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Everyone hates school admins, until they try to do it. Most cushy union teachers couldn't get paid enough to take those jobs. Would you leave a 35hr wk, lifetime benefits cush job paying $140k for a 100hr week (24/7), deal w/ Newsday, parents, teachers and union, cops, politicians, utilities, civic groups, staff, every angry cranky whiny person in the district for $235k?! That is why Supts get the money. Cause NO ONE wants the job and they have to do national searches or double dip into previous appointees to find them. Teachers on the other hand make the money because of a) powerful union b) ignorant voters c) weak boards (see b). Wrap up the winnings in contracts that promise the moon to alleviate potential work stoppages (strikes) and you have our mess. It's not the 3 or 4 admins wrecking budgets, it's the thousands of teachers with guaranteed contractual and step raises. But really, it's still US, because WE vote in the boards and they determine what everyone gets paid. If you don't like it, vote in a better one. Good luck with that. Seems only ding dongs with silly personal agendas join school boards these days.
This! ^^^
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Old 11-20-2020, 12:59 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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This! ^^^
I heard and interesting comment on the radio today and it got me thinking. I have always read the comments and commented myself about the school taxes on LI. I have a slight different perspective as I taught on LI for a year and moved for 2 years and when I came back, I could not get a teaching job, (early 80's)so I went in a different direction.

The subject was different than school taxes it was about the NYC teachers union demanding a 3% positive rate for closing the schools (LI has a 9%). They were talking about Ronald Reagan firing the Air Traffic Controllers and opined that perhaps this tactic could work relative to the teachers union.

I thought it was an interesting comment, but.......you know the rest of the story.
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Old 11-20-2020, 01:31 PM
 
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I heard and interesting comment on the radio today and it got me thinking. I have always read the comments and commented myself about the school taxes on LI. I have a slight different perspective as I taught on LI for a year and moved for 2 years and when I came back, I could not get a teaching job, (early 80's)so I went in a different direction.

The subject was different than school taxes it was about the NYC teachers union demanding a 3% positive rate for closing the schools (LI has a 9%). They were talking about Ronald Reagan firing the Air Traffic Controllers and opined that perhaps this tactic could work relative to the teachers union.

I thought it was an interesting comment, but.......you know the rest of the story.
It's an interesting thought but more complicated. DiBlasio takes the heat for the union's demands, but they're his bread and butter so what's he gonna do? Reagan wasn't beholden to the air traffic controllers. DiBlasio on the other hand, needs NYSUT for political survival.
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Old 11-20-2020, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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It's an interesting thought but more complicated. DiBlasio takes the heat for the union's demands, but they're his bread and butter so what's he gonna do? Reagan wasn't beholden to the air traffic controllers. DiBlasio on the other hand, needs NYSUT for political survival.
And that was the rest of the story. But it does bring up a good point that even though everyone says that you have no end game with a union, there is always an endgame - you just have to have someone that is willing to go up against them.
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Old 11-20-2020, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Stony Brook
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The Air traffic controller situation is a ridiculous comparison to the NYC teacher situation. Makes no sense.
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Old 11-20-2020, 05:45 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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The Air traffic controller situation is a ridiculous comparison to the NYC teacher situation. Makes no sense.
It makes a lot of sense to me, a teacher in NYC has a 9% threshold and their union negotiated very hard for that number. That percentage is an arbitrary number set by them. If teachers throughout the state can teach so can NYC. IF, they choose not to teach, then pull an ATC move and fire them. There are plenty more where they came from and it would save Deblobio a lot of coin.
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Old 11-20-2020, 07:03 PM
 
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I heard and interesting comment on the radio today and it got me thinking. I have always read the comments and commented myself about the school taxes on LI. I have a slight different perspective as I taught on LI for a year and moved for 2 years and when I came back, I could not get a teaching job, (early 80's)so I went in a different direction.

The subject was different than school taxes it was about the NYC teachers union demanding a 3% positive rate for closing the schools (LI has a 9%). They were talking about Ronald Reagan firing the Air Traffic Controllers and opined that perhaps this tactic could work relative to the teachers union.

I thought it was an interesting comment, but.......you know the rest of the story.
770? They were discussing similar. Interesting take.
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Old 11-20-2020, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Nassau County
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It's an interesting thought but more complicated. DiBlasio takes the heat for the union's demands, but they're his bread and butter so what's he gonna do? Reagan wasn't beholden to the air traffic controllers. DiBlasio on the other hand, needs NYSUT for political survival.
Does he though monster? He’s pretty much a lame duck at this point no? Why is he beholden to anyone?
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Old 11-20-2020, 08:18 PM
 
Location: Former LI'er Now Rehoboth Beach, DE
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770? They were discussing similar. Interesting take.
Yep.
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