[beach43ofus]

Every time there's a rising Republican, the media attacks them non-stop. If there's nothing legit to attack them on, they make stuff up, or take things out of context, or play other tricks, to turn people against them.

I'm for a free press, but that is not what we have now...it's a bought and paid for propaganda machine that leans heavily left.

I love how Trump calls them fake news, because that is what they are. I'm glad they're ratings continue to decline, & they are losing cred by the day.

At this rate, they will be inconsequential soon.

No alimony recipient should expect to receive alimony forever.

[beach43ofus]

[quote=Ghaati;65494679]Women who are stay at home moms, who didn't go to college, have no skills that would net them "earning a living" - they exist. Many of them are seniors. Seniors are not immune to divorce. A woman who has spent the last 30 years married to the breadwinner, will not be able to survive on no income once the alimony end-date arrives.

#1 in a divorce settlement, Mrs. Cleaver will get at least 1/2 of the marital assets, & maybe more.

#2 Mrs. Cleaver also gets Social Security if they were married 10+ years.

#3 If #1 & #2 above are not enough, there's food stamps, section 8 housing, and senior citizen housing.

#4 there's also medicare, & medicaid

There are plenty of safety nets already in place, and Mrs. Cleaver will likely need to get a job to supplement the benefits of these programs. There are no skill required jobs everywhere right now, & the minimum wage is higher than ever, and still climbing.

Alimony for life is unfair to the spouse paying for life, & nothing will convince me otherwise. A stay at home spouse being married for a long time to a primary wage earner, does not mean they are guaranteed to never have to work again.

There are no free rides.

[Corrie22]

the vast majority....37......states do not award permanent alimony

...all Florida did was join the vast majority

somehow the vast majority of these gay divorcees get along just fine

operative word > "vast majority"

[MOforthewin]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

Every time there's a rising Republican, the media attacks them non-stop. If there's nothing legit to attack them on, they make stuff up, or take things out of context, or play other tricks, to turn people against them.

I'm for a free press, but that is not what we have now...it's a bought and paid for propaganda machine that leans heavily left.

I love how Trump calls them fake news, because that is what they are. I'm glad they're ratings continue to decline, & they are losing cred by the day.

At this rate, they will be inconsequential soon.

No alimony recipient should expect to receive alimony forever.

Do you think this is why Eric Greitens, former governor of MO was taken down?

Former Navy Seal and was Trump's buddy. He was being pushed to be the next president and Fox had him on constantly. DeSantis wasn't pushed until Greitens resigned from office. had trump been Re-elected, and Greitens wasn't forced out it's very likely Greitens would have been the front runner in 2024.

He did two ads shooting a m50machine gun and full auto Ar15. That was wildly popular in MIssouri and got him elected even though he was a democrap in the past. The good ole old boy Republicans hated him in MO and found some BS to make up to force him out because he wasn't a good ole boy.

[beach43ofus]

Originally Posted by Corrie22

the vast majority....37......states do not award permanent alimony

...all Florida did was join the vast majority

somehow the vast majority of these gay divorcees get along just fine

operative word > "vast majority"

This web site says only 6 states still have permanent alimony, 44 do not:

https://divorce.com/blog/what-states...ward%20alimony.


I'm glad Florida finally joined the "vast majority" of other states in doing away with permanent alimony...way overdue. Way to go DeSantis!

Fewer young people are getting married, due in part to antiquated laws; like alimony. They don't want gov't involved, if their relationship ends.

With so many women now in the work force, & ever-improving wage parity, alimony is becoming obsolete.

FLA is getting a lot of things right these days...no wonder so many have moved here, are in the process of moving here, or want to move here.

[City Guy997S]

Lifetime alimony is ridiculous.............

1. If they go broke while married is there a clause that allows her to remain in the lifestyle they were accustomed to? Meaning changes happen, good or bad.

2. Are there that many housewives that have no life/job skills today? My neighbor became unemployed after 20+ years with a very high profile job. His wife (never worked during the 25 yr marriage) became a successful realtor, she sold 20mm in property last year alone. They are doing just fine.

3. Everyone knows of a crazy divorce story where the people simply were never good together. So one partner needs to be paid off for life? Short term alimony is painful enough, lifetime is really an insult.

[Tulippsy]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

Well then you should've worked a tiny bit harder to figure out what to do. Put in a half hour's worth of thought, and a few days' worth of effort.

If someone has a traumatic brain injury and can no longer work, they can go out on disability. If they're 66 years old, they can collect social security and retire. A judge can't tell you that you're obligated to work past the legal retirement age in this country, or that you are obligated to work even if you're permanently disabled.

So either you didn't do your homework, or there's more to the story than this that you're not telling. Or possibly - it's fiction.

Oops, accidentally repped you. And I always thought you were the voice of reason in this sub. All you need to do is search my post history to see it’s not fiction. My point is, permanent alimony is just that. Permanent. It was not cancelled by the Court but it was reduced to one dollar per year. The judge wouldn’t cancel it in case my husband got another six figure job after the hearing. It was truly unbelievable and had I known what we were facing I certainly would have done things differently.

We were in the middle of the court case when he had his accident. I thought naively, like you, that would have been the end of it. Her lawyer accused him of malingering. We settled. She got half his retirement.

The accident changed our lives. We were separated for two years before finally trying again, back in Florida. He will never be the same and neither will I.

[Ghaati]

Originally Posted by Tulippsy

Oops, accidentally repped you. And I always thought you were the voice of reason in this sub. All you need to do is search my post history to see it’s not fiction. My point is, permanent alimony is just that. Permanent. It was not cancelled by the Court but it was reduced to one dollar per year. The judge wouldn’t cancel it in case my husband got another six figure job after the hearing. It was truly unbelievable and had I known what we were facing I certainly would have done things differently.

We were in the middle of the court case when he had his accident. I thought naively, like you, that would have been the end of it. Her lawyer accused him of malingering. We settled. She got half his retirement.

The accident changed our lives. We were separated for two years before finally trying again, back in Florida. He will never be the same and neither will I.

So then there was more to the story that you weren't telling.

I don't make a habit of checking the posting history of members, it's a huge forum and people post all over the place. I have a life outside city-data and better things to do with my time. I stick to the few forum topics that interest me personally.

And so I took your post at face value. If you expected me to do otherwise, you could've included the rest of the situation.

You can now appeal, because now, he is disabled, officially. Now, things are different from when the court case began. At the time of the court case, he was not disabled. Also permanent alimony is not permanent. An appeal to the court -can- get that changed, in some cases. Or reduced to a dollar as was true in your situation for a time.

I think the fact that Florida can do things differently - change the rules to suit its governor's whims - should be more concerning than the idea that permanent alimony existed in the first place. Just imagine if YOU ever get divorced, and the rules change again and they decide a woman's assets must all go to her divorced spouse.

[Corrie22]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

- change the rules to suit its governor's whims -

exactly how do you think the vast majority of other states changed the rules?

and they decide a woman's assets must all go to her divorced spouse

women are not living in some cave beating the laundry on a rock...

...there's plenty of women that are the primary provider

you seem sour because "equality" bit them in the butt

be careful what you wish for....you might just get it

[RowingFiend]

Originally Posted by Ghaati

This is a great way to ensure that women don't leave their husbands, even if it's a bad relationship. So - Florida forces birth on pregnant women, even if the baby is unviable (missing brain stem, heart, severe inoperable deformities, etc) at 6 weeks - too early for most teenagers to even know they're pregnant because of irregular periods at that age. They intimidate women into staying in bad marriages if they were housewives whose skills aren't enough to get a job that pays the bills. They think that men dressing in womens' clothes should be treated as a crime.

Sounds to me like Florida just really hates women.

Wow, what a disgusting and sexist post.

Are you aware that women are often the bread-winner in a marriage, and that they will be excused from permanent alimony under the law, just like men?