03-28-2009, 05:12 PM
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We have several lots purchased by parents in the midwest (who are now deceased) back in the 60's - it seems Horizon Corporation was traveling around the country inviting people to steak dinners with a fancy presentation about this fabulous area outside of El Paso and how they would make a fortune in the future. Of course, the parents never went to actually SEE the property, just saw the fancy brochures and maps and had a nice steak dinner. As time went on, they periodically contacted Realtors [SIZE=4]® [/SIZE]in the area who all essentially told them the land was virtually worthless, out in the desert. And so, it seems, it still is. I believe the Feds caught up with Horizon (many years ago) - they were also selling worthless land in Arizona and California, same pitch. "Hope springs eternal" and "There's a sucker born every minute."
04-11-2009, 10:22 AM
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04-11-2009, 10:30 AM
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Got a call April 10, 2009 regarding 3 lots in Sunland Estates - 30 Sunland Estates #8 - Lots 16,17,&18. Offered $40,000 for the three
- 18,000 sq. ft - I plan on calling company next week!
How do I send a private email to someone who has posted - I'm a retired Certified Financial Planner who rides a Harley in Wisconsin, enjoys cocktail hour and I am not that computer savvy!
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04-11-2009, 11:34 AM
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you click on their name, and then click on "direct message" and it sends them a private message.
04-11-2009, 12:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by
mrsrobinson73
you click on their name, and then click on "direct message" and it sends them a private message.
Thanks
I did some checking. American Properties and Liberty Land Services are one and the same. You can check out what they do by going to Libertylandservices.com - They are located in Largo, Florida. They do not buy your property, they advertise it for a fee. So tomorrow when I call I don't expect them to send me a check for $40,000.
If interested, when you go on their site, click on Texas, enter El Paso County and you'll see a bunch of lots for sale in the Horizon City area but I couldn't find any in Sunland Estates. When I call, I expect to hear this - "We don't buy your property but we advertise it and I'm sure you could expect to get around $40,000 for you lots. Our fee is $________." I'm very
about this whole thing. Happy Easter to everyone! I'll keep you posted!
04-19-2009, 10:30 AM
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Just as I thought. They charge $1,169 to advertise and market your lot(s). One price no matter how many lots you have. The guy kept rambling on it was difficult to understand so I had to slow him down. It was all about scare tactics. supposedly there is $47,000 in the bank or somewhere from a class action lawsuit against Horizon. The developer would receive that money if he was to develop Sunland Estates. He said he was trying to get them all in 5 acre lots. I told him I would talk further if he would send me a map of Sunland Estates with all the lots marked and the proximity to the main drag. Have not heard from him in a week.
04-20-2009, 01:57 PM
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Regarding my above post, the dollar amount should be $47,000,000.
05-16-2009, 07:51 AM
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Never received the map!
06-01-2009, 08:35 PM
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My family owns unit 14, lot 22. We also received an inquiry about selling the property. Please let me know if anyone finds out new information about all of this, or is interested in creating the union. Thanks!
06-17-2009, 01:51 AM
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Our family has a similar story. Sunland Estates lot purchased in the 60's, contacted by Liberty Property Trust about this property. It seems that it is listed as being worth approximately $5 but they offered a considerable amount more than that. I am thinking it is because the land is worthless in the small parcels we have but could be developed and/or sold as one large chunk of land.
Using the directions that "Sandlot" provided in a March post I think I found the location using Google Earth. I am pasting a link to the Google Maps site of the same location (east of El Paso, southeast of Lake Horizon, just south of Horizon Rd). Not sure where the lake is... I see one on the map but it is not labeled. It is a pretty deserted area but there are sections marked off. Our lots maybe?
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Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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- 18,000 sq. ft - I plan on calling company next week! 
If interested, when you go on their site, click on Texas, enter El Paso County and you'll see a bunch of lots for sale in the Horizon City area but I couldn't find any in Sunland Estates. When I call, I expect to hear this - "We don't buy your property but we advertise it and I'm sure you could expect to get around $40,000 for you lots. Our fee is $________." I'm very 
about this whole thing. Happy Easter to everyone! I'll keep you posted!
