California homelessness? (Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco: rent, live, moving to)

[luv4horses]

If the Key Problem is affordable housing, then people should not move where they can’t afford to live.

Or if they are living in CA and no longer can afford it, they should look for jobs in states where they can afford it.

Yes there may be an awkward transition period. But we all need to plan ahead. Unless you become medically endangered. Then help may be needed. And hopefully given.

[stablegenius]

Originally Posted by luv4horses

Or if they are living in CA and no longer can afford it, they should look for jobs in states where they can afford it.

Yes there may be an awkward transition period. But we all need to plan ahead. Unless you become medically endangered. Then help may be needed. And hopefully given.

I'd even support a government agency that assisted in this process and or helped fund the move for those that can't afford it. Would certainly be cheaper with better outcomes than what we have now.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Arent most people who live in California in home actually from out of state?

They are the cause of their own COL issues. The more people moving into the states (not homeless), buying or renting, the more the price of RE goes up, making it harder and harder for everyone to pay for housing.

Combine that with illegals, the price for available units will never come down.

[JGC97]

Originally Posted by luv4horses

If the Key Problem is affordable housing, then people should not move where they can’t afford to live.

Or if they are living in CA and no longer can afford it, they should look for jobs in states where they can afford it.

Yes there may be an awkward transition period. But we all need to plan ahead. Unless you become medically endangered. Then help may be needed. And hopefully given.

Pretty sure they were priced out of their rental. Or a two income family lost one income due to layoff, thus losing their home to foreclosure. It's been a news story on local news for months now. You'd be surprised to know just how many of our homeless (or unhoused as people like to call them) are still working at their job. They just don't live in a stick and brick domicile. So moving away because they're homeless isn't really a good idea. Not only would they continue to be homeless, they'd be out of work, as well.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by luv4horses

If the Key Problem is affordable housing, then people should not move where they can’t afford to live.

Or if they are living in CA and no longer can afford it, they should look for jobs in states where they can afford it.

Yes there may be an awkward transition period. But we all need to plan ahead. Unless you become medically endangered. Then help may be needed. And hopefully given.

With the way the job market is going, finding a job somewhere else is not the easiest task. Imagine you are a small business owner. Your customer base cannot move with you. Trying to open another shop somewhere else is a monumental and very risky task. If you are a waiter, where is there going to be a shortage of wait staff where you can earn a living wage plus tips?

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

Depends where.

In LA about 1/3 were transplants from other states and in SF it was almost 50%. A lot of these people are runaways or troubled people from other states that are out on the streets within a few years of moving to those areas. You can find the links I posted from the NYTimes and LAtimes in the homeless containment thread.

I’d imagine in Eureka it’s probably almost 100% are locals.

PS in many areas almost 100% of the “homeless” are local citizens.

In the hour long show that CNN did fairly recently on San Francisco, almost all of the homeless people they interviewed were from the Central Valley (San Joaquin Valley).

[Suzlam]

It seems that market-rate rental affordability is not that much more attainable if one moves to a supposedly cheaper area. I live in Charlotte, NC and apartments here are running $1300 on average for a one bedrm. Even if you move into a more rural county that is 45 min away the average 1 bedrm apt rent is close to $900. Minimum wage in NC is $7.25. Suggesting that people relocate is not really a viable solution.

[njbiodude]

Originally Posted by HereOnMars

I did read your post. You are focusing on LA and SF yet there are homeless people throughout the state. Maybe YOU should read the article and stop focusing on your specific area. CA is a big state and I guarantee you, there are homeless everywhere and they're former residents who are now out of a home because they can't afford it. And they aren't all drug users. Shocker!

LA county and the Bay Area contain about half of the states population combined. The demographics of those two regions will throw off the averages for the entire state.

Once you leave the Bay Area, LA, parts of Sacramento, and the coastal area between San Diego and Sonoma the state is for the most part pretty affordable. You can rent studio apartments in much of the rest of the state for under $1000/month. Are Redding or Eureka expensive by US standards? Not at all. In fact a minimum wage worker there still gets California minimum wages and then gets cheap housing to boot.

What actually might help is providing affordable housing in California in cheap parts of the state. There’s a lot and no reason we should be building “affordable housing” for the homeless in La Jolla or San Francisco. If you work a low wage food service job and can’t afford the rent in SF then working a similar job in Redding is probably a better option.

[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by njbiodude

LA county and the Bay Area contain about half of the states population combined. The demographics of those two regions will throw off the averages for the entire state.

Once you leave the Bay Area, LA, parts of Sacramento, and the coastal area between San Diego and Sonoma the state is for the most part pretty affordable. You can rent studio apartments in much of the rest of the state for under $1000/month. Are Redding or Eureka expensive by US standards? Not at all. In fact a minimum wage worker there still gets California minimum wages and then gets cheap housing to boot.

What actually might help is providing affordable housing in California in cheap parts of the state. There’s a lot and no reason we should be building “affordable housing” for the homeless in La Jolla or San Francisco. If you work a low wage food service job and can’t afford the rent in SF then working a similar job in Redding is probably a better option.

But you have homeless college students in the rural counties like Humboldt. This is even a problem in places as far off as Kentucky.

And before anyone mentions getting a job; jobs in college towns which are in the supposedly low COL areas are scarce even restaurant jobs.


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[NJ Brazen_3133]

Originally Posted by Suzlam

It seems that market-rate rental affordability is not that much more attainable if one moves to a supposedly cheaper area. I live in Charlotte, NC and apartments here are running $1300 on average for a one bedrm. Even if you move into a more rural county that is 45 min away the average 1 bedrm apt rent is close to $900. Minimum wage in NC is $7.25. Suggesting that people relocate is not really a viable solution.

For a 40hr work week if that is still normal, you take $290/week times 4 weeks, that is $1160/month you earn but minus $900, you only have $260 left for the month.