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Old 04-07-2022, 10:36 PM
 
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Abusing it would be foolish because your performance can have you back in the office
yup. as it should be.
it is a privilege. not an entitlement.
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Old 04-07-2022, 10:44 PM
 
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i agree.

however it is easier to exercise a poor work ethic while teleworking, because there is less visibility and less accountability. put simply, people get away with it more and abuse it more while teleworking.
How can they get away with it if they can be pulled back into the office?
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Old 04-08-2022, 12:11 AM
 
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Abusing it would be foolish because your performance can have you back in the office
Except my skyscraper office building was immediately sold and is already turned into condos and apartments. No one’s threatening us with going back in time, it wouldn’t be a sound business move.
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Old 04-08-2022, 12:19 AM
 
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Except my skyscraper office building was immediately sold and is already turned into condos and apartments. No one’s threatening us with going back in time, it wouldn’t be a sound business move.
Ok well fired
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Old 04-08-2022, 12:35 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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Software developers like myself had been working remote long before the pandemic. It is entirely feasible for a dev to not entertain roles that aren't 100% remote. That said, employers are finding creative ways to turn even remote roles into a hellscape. I quit a job recently where even though they understood that it's counterproductive to overwork devs, their software was such a depressing mess to work on because they never even try to retire technical debt. And they would keep switching you to different teams just when you were starting to get some decent momentum figuring out the mess you were already working on. It was just too Sisyphean.

I'm glad I'm in the sunset phase of my working life. My craft used to be both exciting and fulfilling, but it's now been commoditized such that something I used to say I loved so much I'd do it for free if I didn't need the money, is now just a pointless slog like any other. What will likely be my last full time role before retirement is working for a multinational corporation that bought the small start up I was with, to pick over its bones, harvest data and customers, and discard the tech because it's so good that it would be a political embarrassment for them to adopt or incorporate it into their existing system.

But hey, this is capitalism for the win, right?
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Old 04-08-2022, 02:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Software developers like myself had been working remote long before the pandemic. It is entirely feasible for a dev to not entertain roles that aren't 100% remote. That said, employers are finding creative ways to turn even remote roles into a hellscape. I quit a job recently where even though they understood that it's counterproductive to overwork devs, their software was such a depressing mess to work on because they never even try to retire technical debt. And they would keep switching you to different teams just when you were starting to get some decent momentum figuring out the mess you were already working on. It was just too Sisyphean.

I'm glad I'm in the sunset phase of my working life. My craft used to be both exciting and fulfilling, but it's now been commoditized such that something I used to say I loved so much I'd do it for free if I didn't need the money, is now just a pointless slog like any other. What will likely be my last full time role before retirement is working for a multinational corporation that bought the small start up I was with, to pick over its bones, harvest data and customers, and discard the tech because it's so good that it would be a political embarrassment for them to adopt or incorporate it into their existing system.

But hey, this is capitalism for the win, right?
I think we might work for the same place.
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Old 04-08-2022, 06:49 AM
 
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then it sounds like you don't fall in the category of those who abuse telework.
which is in my view a better work ethic to have
Taking 5 minutes to throw in a load of laundry is not abusing telework. Many studies have been done, and workers are MORE productive at home. One study showed workers in an office spend, on average, 4 minutes our of 10 minutes actually working. Those distractions and side conversations add up.

https://www.apollotechnical.com/work...e%20productive.
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Old 04-08-2022, 06:55 AM
 
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Taking 5 minutes to throw in a load of laundry is not abusing telework. Many studies have been done, and workers are MORE productive at home. One study showed workers in an office spend, on average, 4 minutes our of 10 minutes actually working. Those distractions and side conversations add up.

https://www.apollotechnical.com/work...e%20productive.
I think those who don't work from home don't realize how much more productive it is without all of the office distractions.
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Old 04-08-2022, 07:05 AM
 
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Abusing it would be foolish because your performance can have you back in the office
Really? I would think a poor performance would get you FIRED, as it should, regardless of where you work. "In office" shouldn't be a punishment, just as "at home" shouldn't be a reward. It should depend on the nature of the work: some can be done at home, some can't. If either performs poorly, they should be discharged; not "relocated." We're not third-graders who are seated up front near the teacher so we aren't distracted looking out the window.
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Old 04-08-2022, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Fuquay Varina
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Really? I would think a poor performance would get you FIRED, as it should, regardless of where you work. "In office" shouldn't be a punishment, just as "at home" shouldn't be a reward. It should depend on the nature of the work: some can be done at home, some can't. If either performs poorly, they should be discharged; not "relocated." We're not third-graders who are seated up front near the teacher so we aren't distracted looking out the window.
Why as a business owner or manager would you want to fire an otherwise good employee? Not everyone can be as productive in the office as they are at home, just as not everyone can be as productive at home as in the office. I think it really comes down to the best fit, but I wouldn't fire someone only because they failed at wfh if they were a good employee in the office.
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