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USA is terrible with paid time off.
We only get three weeks off at best while Europe gets 2-3 months off.
Theres needs to be a law that has mandatory PTO.
No..... there doesn't. Companies set their PTO policies. If it isn't good enough, go somewhere else. We have the option to choose. We don't need the govt setting more policies that further tighten down on businesses that provide jobs to those here.
The US is not a socialist country and doesn't operate on socialist ideas. We succeed and have more than a lot of other countries because we work more to get it.
No..... there doesn't. Companies set their PTO policies. If it isn't good enough, go somewhere else. We have the option to choose. We don't need the govt setting more policies that further tighten down on businesses that provide jobs to those here.
The US is not a socialist country and doesn't operate on socialist ideas. We succeed and have more than a lot of other countries because we work more to get it.
If mandating some sick days is socialism, I guess I'd better try to turn the U.S. into a socialist country instead of just trying to put in a few reforms to capitalism.
How do you expect employers to turn a profit? I'd like to see your proposal on how they can do that while paying employees whatever they want..... There are no "implied" contracts. The handbooks are very specific on what the company tells you they can and cant do. When an employee hires on, they agree to those terms. It just so happens that many don't read the handbooks. When the handbooks are written the company has to leave some breathing room as they can't predict the future.
Companies make profits until a couple of things happen.
1. The market turns south. In this event, the company may have to make cuts to stay solvent. This can include layoffs, restructuring, benefit reduction, or various other means.
2. Competition becomes too fierce for the company model to support. Meaning some larger company (look at Walmart for example) outsources the same products to China for half the cost. At that point, the same steps taken above must be taken to keep the company afloat.
Otherwise, the company can just close up shop and lay off ALL of the employees. You can't have it both ways. Look at it from the perspective of it being YOUR company. You don't put in all the hours, money, long hours, etc... just to get by do you? No. You put all that in with the hope that you can make a profit and someday retire well off.
Rarely can companies accurately forecast 5 years out and know that they will be able to keep everyone employed. Their goal obviously is to be able to do that, but based on varying factors that may change down the road. If you want companies to commit to that, then employees should be required to pay back any money received if they quit before the 5 years are up. Doesn't sound too fair does it?
I can guarantee you the letter to your senator will make it as far as from his desk to a waste basket. You're making a lot of claims and lumping all businesses into the same category. Slimy and unethical. This just isn't true for all companies. Some companies do all they can to keep everyone on and remain upright but at some point, they have to make cuts. When some people get laid off, others get to keep their job. When some lose PTO, or lose a benefit, someone gets to continue to bring in a paycheck. The company protects the bottom line, because if it does not everyone might as well go home.
If you think bringing the corrupt government in to "fix" a company is the answer you don't spend much time watching the news. ANY time the govt gets involved things go from bad to worse. Just because a business owner makes a lot of money doesn't make them a crook. It makes them ambitious and smart because they found a way to offer a product or service that the consumer wants and make a profit from it. In turn, they use that profit to grow the business and hire new employees and create more jobs. I have ZERO problem with some CEO working from his lakehouse while his family rides their waverunners on the water... or takes their fourth vacation of the year. I have no clue how many years he DIDNT do those things while growing the business. All I know is that he is keeping me working and keeping me paid. If I want his life, I can do what he did to earn it.
I agree as long as its lagit, problem is the number of non-lagit companies and top leadership is growing and its always the same statement ... it wasent illegal, even if they got to where they are from slimy unethical underhanded tactics. I don't watch TV or the radio as I am too busy on business ventures and projects but I do know that the only ones who can rein it in is govt by creating laws (preferably retroactive) that put these slimy companies under the microscope and if ANYTHING is awry make the consequences BRUTAL, no slaps on the wrist, serious jail time and total asset confiscation.
If a CEO did it lagit through hard work and creativity more power too them but that is quickly becoming the minority in the USA. Oh yea and death sentences for treason if a company brings any intellectual property to a forign nation.
Have you watched the big short yet ...
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If mandating some sick days is socialism, I guess I'd better try to turn the U.S. into a socialist country instead of just trying to put in a few reforms to capitalism.
Expropriate the expropriators.
In case you weren't aware......
The U.S. does not require that companies pay you for time not worked (vacation, sick leave, holidays). Furthermore, the Fair Labor Standards Act does not require companies to provide any time off AT ALL.
Companies can choose to do that, or not to do that. So be thankful that most companies provide some sort of paid time off or sick leave along with holiday pay. It isn't a requirement by the government. Companies know that employees need time off. Paying for that time off is a benefit that they offer.
The government steps in on sick leave and if the company qualifies to fall under the FMLA act, they are required to pay sick leave up to 12 weeks if:
The employee has worked there for 12 months
Have worked for at least 1,250 hours over the previous 12 months
Work at a location where at least 50 employees are employed by the employer within 75 miles
The sickness has to me an approved medical situation to be covered
Seems to me like the complaint is that people don't get enough. Hence the real issue..... every time people get something, they ask for more. A company can only give so much. Once they determine what is fair in their eyes, the employee can determine if they agree and choose to either work for the company or go somewhere else. Trying to get the government to step in will do nothing but add to the problem.
If you don't like a company's policy..... leave. If enough people leave they will either fall in line with other company's policies or go under.
I agree as long as its lagit, problem is the number of non-lagit companies and top leadership is growing and its always the same statement ... it wasent illegal, even if they got to where they are from slimy unethical underhanded tactics. I don't watch TV or the radio as I am too busy on business ventures and projects but I do know that the only ones who can rein it in is govt by creating laws (preferably retroactive) that put these slimy companies under the microscope and if ANYTHING is awry make the consequences BRUTAL, no slaps on the wrist, serious jail time and total asset confiscation.
If a CEO did it lagit through hard work and creativity more power too them but that is quickly becoming the minority in the USA.
Who gets to determine if a company grew by legit methods? The government? Take a long look at our government.... a really long look. That is one of the worst ran, unethical, slimy businesses to ever be ran. Yes, they run it as a for profit business. Some of the very people that would have to put these companies under the microscope are the same ones with their hands in the cookie jar. How do you propose we get fair and balanced from those people?
The way to get fairness from a company is to vote with your feet. Not bring in the government to babysit. If enough people do not like their policies and leave the company will either close it's doors or change their policies. Instead, most just complain about how bad they are (but they don't leave) or they want to go ask the government to step in and force them to bend to the whim of the employee. Vote with your feet.
Seems to me like the complaint is that people don't get enough. Hence the real issue..... every time people get something, they ask for more. A company can only give so much. Once they determine what is fair in their eyes, the employee can determine if they agree and choose to either work for the company or go somewhere else. Trying to get the government to step in will do nothing but add to the problem.
That's a market. I understand the concept. I've studied enough economics to know that markets provide big advantages to the person with the most information, most able to bear risk, and with the larger purchasing power. If each employee acts separately and most employers are very, very large, all the advantages will go to those hiring. Wages and benefits will be forced down to barely above sustenance.
That was the case throughout most of human history. Getting the government to step in a control those with wealth was exactly the government stepping in and solving (partially) a problem.
The U.S. does not require that companies pay you for time not worked (vacation, sick leave, holidays). Furthermore, the Fair Labor Standards Act does not require companies to provide any time off AT ALL.
Companies can choose to do that, or not to do that. So be thankful that most companies provide some sort of paid time off or sick leave along with holiday pay. It isn't a requirement by the government. Companies know that employees need time off. Paying for that time off is a benefit that they offer.
The government steps in on sick leave and if the company qualifies to fall under the FMLA act, they are required to pay sick leave up to 12 weeks if:
The employee has worked there for 12 months
Have worked for at least 1,250 hours over the previous 12 months
Work at a location where at least 50 employees are employed by the employer within 75 miles
The sickness has to me an approved medical situation to be covered
Seems to me like the complaint is that people don't get enough. Hence the real issue..... every time people get something, they ask for more. A company can only give so much. Once they determine what is fair in their eyes, the employee can determine if they agree and choose to either work for the company or go somewhere else. Trying to get the government to step in will do nothing but add to the problem.
If you don't like a company's policy..... leave. If enough people leave they will either fall in line with other company's policies or go under.
We can always bring back the 90% tax rate for company profits over a certain amount if they don't reinvest and then triple the number of federal and state jobs ...
The bottom line is as a country we should not be tolerating the decention into 2nd world status where there are an abundance of people living around a burn barrel and soup lines due to out of control unemployment or cost of living that are so out of hand that people are living check to check because the rent is set at the median income of the area. Maybe bring back rent controls ...
If capitalism starts turning the USA into some cesspool then it is simply time to leave ... the crux now is that there are few places to go too and that frankly is scary.
Who gets to determine if a company grew by legit methods? The government? Take a long look at our government.... a really long look. That is one of the worst ran, unethical, slimy businesses to ever be ran. Yes, they run it as a for profit business. Some of the very people that would have to put these companies under the microscope are the same ones with their hands in the cookie jar. How do you propose we get fair and balanced from those people?
The way to get fairness from a company is to vote with your feet. Not bring in the government to babysit. If enough people do not like their policies and leave the company will either close it's doors or change their policies. Instead, most just complain about how bad they are (but they don't leave) or they want to go ask the government to step in and force them to bend to the whim of the employee. Vote with your feet.
Food for thought.
As long as there are other options to go too to thrive ... if not then you have to have a police state behind you to use the heel of a boot to rebuild a nation. If there is no where else to go the only option left is to fight and if you are in that position you have to have the resources to do it. Right now the govt is the only ones that control a police state large enough to ensure compliance. Also if the fed govt is so slimy then why is it almost unheard of for fed GS staff to be laid off, it is such a rare event that I cant even remember the last time it happened (not talking about a couple of days furlough but full blown lay offs where you go to stand around a burn barrel if you cant find another job). I know there are shenanigans with certain politicians but when it comes to fed jobs they take care of there people so I have a really hard time demonizing the feds. They are the LAST employer in the USA that are NOT at-will.
Companies are not going to care if you Joe schmoe walks out, the market is saturated and the employee has almost no leverage. I suppose a large enough group could appeal to a forign nation for support to carve out their own nation state in an armed conflict ... if there is not massive reform that is where we are heading ...
Smart people are not just going to "walk out" and go stand around a burn barrel and fade off into the night as the power brokers would hope for.
I have been reading that Iceland, New Zealand and parts of Russia would be decent places to go to now if you had to flee. But before that if I ever lost my private sector job I would push for a federal job and once I got one I would never look back. I am already putting in detailed resumes to get myself on various agencys short list.
Last edited by pittsflyer; 11-03-2016 at 01:00 PM..
We can always bring back the 90% tax rate for company profits over a certain amount if they don't reinvest and then triple the number of federal and state jobs ...
The bottom line is as a country we should not be tolerating the decention into 2nd world status where there are an abundance of people living around a burn barrel and soup lines due to out of control unemployment or cost of living that are so out of hand that people are living check to check because the rent is set at the median income of the area. Maybe bring back rent controls ...
If capitalism starts turning the USA into some cesspool then it is simply time to leave ... the crux now is that there are few places to go too and that frankly is scary.
But it isn't that simple....... we can't ONLY look at employers. We must also look to the employees who are living above their means.
A person who makes $60k a year and has a $250k house, a $60k car, 3-4 maxed out credit cards, buys $100 jeans, eats $100 dinners at restaurants frequently, etc.... and then has to go bankrupt because they over extended themselves isn't the fault of the company. The government shouldn't step in to force the company to pay employees more, or provide more benefits when people are abusing their finances. If anything, it just makes the problem worse because folks know that the government will bail them out instead of hold them accountable.
If the government wants to make companies MORE accountable, then the same must be done for employees. You would have to also control their finances so that they can live comfortably within their means and not have to ask the government for more help. See the problem there? Now you have the government controlling not only the companies, but the employees.
As long as there are other options to go too to thrive ... if not then you have to have a police state behind you to use the heel of a boot to rebuild a nation. If there is no where else to go the only option left is to fight and if you are in that position you have to have the resources to do it. Right now the govt is the only ones that control a police state large enough to ensure compliance. Also if the fed govt is so slimy then why is it almost unheard of for fed GS staff to be laid off, it is such a rare event that I cant even remember the last time it happened (not talking about a couple of days furlough but full blown lay offs where you go to stand around a burn barrel if you cant find another job). I know there are shenanigans with certain politicians but when it comes to fed jobs they take care of there people so I have a really hard time demonizing the feds. They are the LAST employer in the USA that are NOT at-will.
Because the government pulls money from other funds to keep people employed. They are taking the tax money from the very citizens you want them to protect to pay their workers to stay on their job. There are many "created" govt jobs that add little to no value to the government. But there is a good ole boy system in place that allows certain authorities to create those jobs. To give to those workers, that have to take from you. Look at the debt the government has...... and it's growing daily..... you want to increase that budget by creating another committee to oversee companies. You don't seem to understand what you are asking for on so many different levels...... you may not want what you get.
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Originally Posted by pittsflyer
Companies are not going to care if you Joe schmoe walks out, the market is saturated and the employee has almost no leverage. I suppose a large enough group could appeal to a forign nation for support to carve out their own nation state in an armed conflict ... if there is not massive reform that is where we are heading ...
Smart people are not just going to "walk out" and go stand around a burn barrel and fade off into the night as the power brokers would hope for.
I have been reading that Iceland, New Zealand and parts of Russia would be decent places to go to now if you had to flee. But before that if I ever lost my private sector job I would push for a federal job and once I got one I would never look back. I am already putting in detailed resumes to get myself on various agencys short list.
You act like there are no jobs available. There are. It takes a savvy person to go out and get another one. You can't just quit and wait for another company to come to you. But the jobs are there. Not everyone will quit. But not every company is bad. The few bad companies out there could close their doors, and all the good companies have positions available somewhere that people can apply to. This "scare" of standing around a burn barrel is exactly why people don't leave. Sometimes we have to take risks for a better payoff. THIS is why the rich are rich.
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