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Using that logic, why should an applicant care how much red tape there is in your hiring process when they're waiting on a response about their application or interview?
I know the knee-jerk reaction will be "well the applicant is the one who needs the job...," but it just goes to show the double standard that exists in these exchanges.
I don't think an applicant should care. Why would they? If my company decided they weren't going to pay me this month because the HR mgr was in some kind of personal pickle I would not give two shyts. And neither would my mortgage holder.
I really don't understand your attitude when it comes to employment. Do you want employers to play mommy and daddy? People need to grow up and pull up their big boy pants if they have any plans on succeeding in their careers. No, nobody is going to care that you're tired, don't feel well, are having a bad day. You do what needs to be done or you are passed - from either direction.
Completely disagree with you on that one. I always send a thank you email to the people that have interviewed me and it has ALWAYS worked in my favor. I think it demonstrates courtesy, thoughtfulness and a certain decorum about the person. It shows me the person is genuinely interested in the position and has a touch of class, which is always nice.
Of the past three positions I've had I've always sent a thank-you note... and have always gotten a response such as "it was good meeting you, I think you'd make a great addition to the team".... or something along those lines.... It also allows u to gauge their interest in you.... Let's say u send a thank you note and get no response....perhaps that means something ie, u may not be selected.
Always send a thank-you note, people. It CANNOT hurt anything it can only help. Only takes a few short minutes too.
Same here! My Supervisor just hired an Assistant Account Executive to join our team and she has the girl's nicely written, hard copy, thank you note sitting on her desk. My Supervisor said she was most likely going to hire her anyway, however, that thoughtful detail just sealed the deal. The girl will be starting next week.
TBH, all of my thank yous were via email, and I assume hand-written thank you emails are ideal. I definitely do not think any Thank You is a waste of time. That interviewer took time out of their busy schedule to interview you. You need to thank them accordingly.
Please forgive me for believing in doing what's morally right by others.
No you don't. You believe in doing what's ideal for you and other employees (really unemployees or underemployees) who hold similar positions. There is nothing moral about that. It's inherently selfish. But, that is neither here nor there. Many are only going to hurt themselves along the way and in turn complain to each other about it. What good that does I don't know.
He yawned repeatedly, you don't see that as a faux pas during a job interview??
No. Maybe he is working nights while searching for a better position? Maybe he was up all night with a migraine? The interviewer did not ask why and chose to make an ignorant assumption as to why.
Why should an interviewer care what's going on in their lives? When I was 14 years old working at Roy Rogers I complained at a shift meeting that A, B, and C was going on in my life and that's why mgt should let whatever go. The GM told me that he was sorry I had etc going on, but it wasn't his problem. He was right and that was a lesson learned as a kid. How this lesson is foreign to grown adults I don't get.
There is no reason a person cannot hide the fact that they're yawning while doing a phone interview. It's a weird thing to do.
I had several interviews where the interviewer(s) were yawning. So I should call them on it? Come on.
But the person said it was because they've been up late a lot lately.
People yawn a lot when they don't get enough sleep, it's normal. You don't know what could be going on in their lives. So it was a silly reason to reject them.
It doesn't matter. Just like a first date, you put forth your best self in an interview. The employer couldn't care less why you're tired, in fact he may wonder how you'll stay awake on the job if you can barely make it through an interview without multiple yawns. If one candidate is enthusiastic and appears motivated and energetic, and the other equally qualified yawns and sounds bored, which one would you hire?
Had an incident Monday when I was interviewing a graphic designer for a slot. The portfolio he sent was pretty good. Not brilliant, but good. Mind you, I'm pretty open minded in a lot of ways. But let me describe the guy:
Mind you, this was an extreme case, but it illustrates something that I've noticed a good deal: The people in life who I've heard complain the most about their lack of upward mobility in the professional world also tend to be the same people who don't take care of the little things in how they present themselves.
Let's not kid ourselves. You might be good at your job. But so is the next person in line to be interviewed. And the person after that. And the person after that. And an employer isn't just looking for someone who can knock out the work, but can be taken to a meeting and can be trusted to talk to a client and has some basic people skills.
If you can't be bothered to look sharp for a job interview, then when will you? If you can't exercise basic courtesies towards a person who could potentially give you a good salary and a fulfilling work environment, when's that going to happen?
Hey, I'm not talking three piece suits here. I'm not talking about some arcane code of conduct. I'm just talking about the fundamentals.
I won't be hiring this guy, despite the fact that his portfolio wasn't bad. This guy showed me that he could do the work, but didn't show me that he could function in either an office or in the presence of the client. And when I don't hire him, he'll wonder why he didn't get the job.
What, pray tell, are the fundamentals? There's no training course on work-place etiquette, really. You can get a few helpful hints from books, but they aren't applicable to every situation; common sense isn't common if you've never encountered anything like it to work off of. Some people have honestly never been trained for a formal setting. Plus, different cultures have different expectations of what is "normal" and "appropriate." It took me a long time to figure it out, and it still confuses me a little. Why should I wear a black suit to an interview if it makes me look like I don't know anything about clothes? Why can't I wear colors that flatter my skin tone and shape? The shoulder pads on most traditional blazers make me look too boxy, for example. Plus, I've followed most of the rules and still have not landed a job. I've arrived early, dressed sharply, brought my resume, and sent a follow-up thank-you email, still no job! Did it help? I don't know.
No. Maybe he is working nights while searching for a better position? Maybe he was up all night with a migraine? The interviewer did not ask why and chose to make an ignorant assumption as to why.
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Originally Posted by jma501
I had several interviews where the interviewer(s) were yawning. So I should call them on it? Come on.
This is actually a perfect example of an abuse of power.
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