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1) The classic one where if anyone disagrees with crony capitalism, than they must be a "socialist / communist / etc." Nobody said capitalism is a failure, but unchecked greed will lead to failure of any system. Just another classic case of wanting to make changes = "you're un'merican!"
2) Ah, yes - holding a gun to the head of business owners to take something that is not rightfully yours. Hey, what about the trillions of dollars in wasted Bail Out money that was taken from us and given to some of them? That wasn't rightfully theirs. What about the jobs that we've all worked that are now gone - who gave them the right to gut a nation's economy to make a few extra bucks? They don't deserve to be able to do that.
3) The assumption that those who are at the top in businesses are those who started them. Newsflash - most CEO's these days, at least in medium to large corporations, did NOT start the business, so it is disingenuous to paint them as poor, hobbled heroes of the common man who just wanted to follow the American Dream. Most of them got there via connections and knives stuck in the backs of others, so they don't deserve any respect, especially not as they busily gut the nation's jobs and give themselves absurd bonuses are rewards. This is different in small businesses, but they are also not the ones sending countless jobs overseas while buying up our leaders.
Unreal...
Still waiting for that "better system"
And did it every occur to the commies that MOST business owners are just trying to make a living and they aren't getting rich? The only benefit for most of them is they have SOME control over their success and failure.
. All you can do is make yourself marketable to employers, since there ARE jobs out there. If you don't meet the qualifications to take those jobs, THAT is what you can change to better your life. The choice is yours. Good luck!
This is exactly right. In the Seattle area I have jobs open that i can't even get applicants for. While these are assembly positions, they aren't entry level. These pay $30K+ with full benefits and all i get is crickets......This scene is repeated everyday across the country. Make yourself marketable and you will quickly find a job.
This is exactly right. In the Seattle area I have jobs open that i can't even get applicants for. While these are assembly positions, they aren't entry level. These pay $30K+ with full benefits and all i get is crickets......This scene is repeated everyday across the country. Make yourself marketable and you will quickly find a job.
No offense, but one would be far better off moving to a lower COL location where they could earn 25-28K for a similar job. I doubt Seattle is considered much of a hotbed for assembly jobs.
Still waiting for your answer regarding what the tens of millions of people who are able and willing to work are supposed to do with the jobs gone. After all, they "don't deserve" anything in your own words, but those at the top clearly "deserve" to be able to impoverish millions so they can afford a bigger yacht! So, since accountability and any degree of sacrifice for the greater good have been ruled out - since it's a "sacrifice" to only make 10 million a year vs. 20 - I'm sure an amusing answer will be forthcoming on this topic.
Have you worked out how that economy will function with everyone out of work starting "home businesses" to mow each other laws and walk each other's dogs? I'm sure that'll work and pay the bills. Maybe house flipping will save us - oh, wait, we already tried that. Or, maybe we can just all work on the plantations of our new masters and maybe they'll feed and cloth us - if we deserve it.
Oh, and by the way, communism is not equal to "not willing to watch my nation be sold out to crooked businessmen while all the jobs disappear." Keep that in mind since nobody here is promoting the former, but good lucking finding folks who disagree with the later.
Still waiting for your answer regarding what the tens of millions of people who are able and willing to work are supposed to do with the jobs gone. After all, they "don't deserve" anything in your own words, but those at the top clearly "deserve" to be able to impoverish millions so they can afford a bigger yacht! So, since accountability and any degree of sacrifice for the greater good have been ruled out - since it's a "sacrifice" to only make 10 million a year vs. 20 - I'm sure an amusing answer will be forthcoming on this topic.
Have you worked out how that economic plan will play out with everyone starting "home businesses" to mow each other laws and walk each other's dogs? I'm sure that'll work and pay the bills. Or, maybe we can just all work on the plantations of our new masters and maybe they'll feed and cloth us - if we deserve it.
Yes... Because the majority of Americans don't have a job, right? Wrong. There are jobs. They're just not jobs that you want to do. Instead of complaining, maybe YOU should create some of those desperately needed jobs.
Everywhere I have worked in this area, the companies struggle to find the workers. It would be wonderful if they could pay 100K for piddly low skill work, but the consumer wouldn't buy the product now would they?
Maybe you could start a product line with the seal of "made by overpaid and unqualified workers". If the problem you speak of is so pervasive, consumers would SURELY flock to your products. But then again, you would be one of those business owners that your ill rails against.
And you can't even decide who you want to rail against. The business owners and the wealthy are two completely different entities. There are plenty of middle class and even working class business owners. Money isn't flying out of the pockets of anyone I've ever worked for.
You're just running around blaming anyone who's doing better then you like it is their fault your life sucks.
The rampant envy, whining and feelings of undeserved wealth confiscation are frankly disgusting. Even when I was poor, I was happy.
And quit acting like people who disagree with you think things are perfect. It's not a yes or no question/answer but a complex issue going far beyond your sob story talking points.
Yes... Because the majority of Americans don't have a job, right? Wrong. There are jobs. They're just not jobs that you want to do. Instead of complaining, maybe YOU should create some of those desperately needed jobs.
Everywhere I have worked in this area, the companies struggle to find the workers. It would be wonderful if they could pay 100K for piddly low skill work, but the consumer wouldn't buy the product now would they?
Maybe you could start a product line with the seal of "made by overpaid and unqualified workers". If the problem you speak of is so pervasive, consumers would SURELY flock to your products. But then again, you would be one of those business owners that your ill rails against.
And you can't even decide who you want to rail against. The business owners and the wealthy are two completely different entities. There are plenty of middle class and even working class business owners. Money isn't flying out of the pockets of anyone I've ever worked for.
You're just running around blaming anyone who's doing better then you like it is their fault your life sucks.
The rampant envy, whining and feelings of undeserved wealth confiscation are frankly disgusting. Even when I was poor, I was happy.
And quit acting like people who disagree with you think things are perfect. It's not a yes or no question/answer but a complex issue going far beyond your sob story talking points.
Interesting outlook on life:
1) Because MOST people have a job, the rest don't matter. Good to know... that makes sense. Also, you're kidding yourself if you honestly think most unemployed people would rather not have work than have a job. The only exception MIGHT be if the job literally pays so little that it is not worth it... but I guess that's also the fault of the unemployed somehow. Oh, and there aren't jobs - last estimates place the number of jobs at 1 per 3 out of work Americans who need a job... and that assumes that the "jobs" in question are just more of the same fake listings that clutter up websites.
2) All of us should just "create jobs" if we want to fix the problem - but don't ask big business to do so. Yes, because it makes plenty of sense to shift the burden of job creation onto the average working class American with limited funding vs. asking say... the huge corporations to actually provide jobs. But that's okay - let's just keep giving them tax breaks and turn a blind eye towards their behavior! Oh, and another thing - you do realize that the small businesses that most of us are fine with will eventually be ground under by the big businesses that run amok? If you really love small business, you'd want to keep some rules on big business.
3) Business owners and the rich are two different groups: Really? Do you expect ANYONE to believe that? If you're talking about SMALL business owners, that's different, but as I said before in my posts (that I doubt you read) I don't have a problem with them because they aren't the ones buying up our leaders and shipping our jobs off to other nations in huge numbers. In the realm of those who can influence our nation, the rich ARE the business owners - to say otherwise is just a joke.
4) You were happy when you were poor, so everyone else is a whiner. I'm glad you were happy when you're poor. Good for you. It's also nice that somebody else thought you deserved a job. That somebody else thought you deserved an education. That somebody else was willing to pay for your bills when you were growing up or broke while being happy and poor. Or, even if you started your own business, that somebody else was nice enough to loan you start-up money. It's really quite fortunate that all those people didn't give you a story about how you were just "whining" when you asked for work or how you "deserved nothing" because most people had jobs.
But that's okay - let's just keep demanding people pull themselves up by their bootstraps after having stolen their shoes. Makes sense to me.
This is exactly right. In the Seattle area I have jobs open that i can't even get applicants for. While these are assembly positions, they aren't entry level. These pay $30K+ with full benefits and all i get is crickets......This scene is repeated everyday across the country. Make yourself marketable and you will quickly find a job.
Since the job isn't entry level you probably want someone with years of experience. This is part of the skills gap myth. It's not that you can't find workers...you just can't find workers that can get off the launch pad right away. A job like yours in the Pittsburgh area would get tons of applicants if you had reasonable qualifications. Employers are not willing to train anymore so the younger generations are having trouble getting any experience or getting their foot in the door.
1) Because MOST people have a job, the rest don't matter. Good to know... that makes sense. Also, you're kidding yourself if you honestly think most unemployed people would rather not have work than have a job. The only exception MIGHT be if the job literally pays so little that it is not worth it... but I guess that's also the fault of the unemployed somehow. Oh, and there aren't jobs - last estimates place the number of jobs at 1 per 3 out of work Americans who need a job... and that assumes that the "jobs" in question are just more of the same fake listings that clutter up websites.
2) All of us should just "create jobs" if we want to fix the problem - but don't ask big business to do so. Yes, because it makes plenty of sense to shift the burden of job creation onto the average working class American with limited funding vs. asking say... the huge corporations to actually provide jobs. But that's okay - let's just keep giving them tax breaks and turn a blind eye towards their behavior! Oh, and another thing - you do realize that the small businesses that most of us are fine with will eventually be ground under by the big businesses that run amok? If you really love small business, you'd want to keep some rules on big business.
3) Business owners and the rich are two different groups: Really? Do you expect ANYONE to believe that? If you're talking about SMALL business owners, that's different, but as I said before in my posts (that I doubt you read) I don't have a problem with them because they aren't the ones buying up our leaders and shipping our jobs off to other nations in huge numbers. In the realm of those who can influence our nation, the rich ARE the business owners - to say otherwise is just a joke.
4) You were happy when you were poor, so everyone else is a whiner. I'm glad you were happy when you're poor. Good for you. It's also nice that somebody else thought you deserved a job. That somebody else thought you deserved an education. That somebody else was willing to pay for your bills when you were growing up or broke while being happy and poor. Or, even if you started your own business, that somebody else was nice enough to loan you start-up money. It's really quite fortunate that all those people didn't give you a story about how you were just "whining" when you asked for work or how you "deserved nothing" because most people had jobs.
But that's okay - let's just keep demanding people pull themselves up by their bootstraps after having stolen their shoes. Makes sense to me.
When you assume, you made an ASS out of U and ME. Which is exactly what you are doing regarding my beliefs. Have a nice life. Keep posting whiny rants on the internet. Things are bound to turn around with that valiant effort
When you assume, you made an ASS out of U and ME. Which is exactly what you are doing regarding my beliefs. Have a nice life. Keep posting whiny rants on the internet. Things are bound to turn around with that valiant effort
You don't even bother debating the guy and provide any real answers to the questions he is asking. Are you 5 with the assume comment? Look, if you don't think this country is going down the pooper fast, you live in the lady gaga fantasy land.
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Yes... Because the majority of Americans don't have a job, right? Wrong. There are jobs. They're just not jobs that you want to do. Instead of complaining, maybe YOU should create some of those desperately needed jobs.
"People just don't want to work." Typical Republican answer. I can't wait until you guys are replaced by rational Libertarians.
If this country would stop supporting dictators maybe this world would be better. Empowering mainland China with jobs in hopes of change is only going to screw us in the end.
You don't even bother debating the guy and provide any real answers to the questions he is asking. Are you 5 with the assume comment? Look, if you don't think this country is going down the pooper fast, you live in the lady gaga fantasy land.
I debated enough with him to know it's pointless. He's simply repeating the same tired mantra over and over again. Besides, I'm not going to debate with someone who feels they have the audacity to dictate what my opinions and beliefs are. And I simply don't have the time to get wrapped up in meaningless debate. People are very good at pointing out the problems. Seldom do they offer reasonable and viable solutions. Enter the groveling whiner routine. Then it's a matter of placing the blame.
And the country has been going down the can for a much longer period of time. It was simply masked temporarily with easy money while the can was kicked. Didn't hear many whining when all those blue collar jobs were packed up and shipped off. That's right... It didn't effect everyone. They should have studied harder in school, right?
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"People just don't want to work." Typical Republican answer. I can't wait until you guys are replaced by rational Libertarians.
If this country would stop supporting dictators maybe this world would be better. Empowering mainland China with jobs in hopes of change is only going to screw us in the end.
I didn't say people don't want to work. Most do. Unfortunately, many of the jobs available are unpopular and go unfilled. What makes you so sure I'm a republican? I didn't vote last time around because both choices were god awful. It was like asking which cyanide pill would you prefer.
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