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Why don't you knock off the personal attacks? I'm disabled, by the way, and yet I want to work in order to earn a living. So, you have NO right to call me "entitled", plain and simple.
Too bad there's not a negative karma system on here, it'd come in handy right now.
1) I didn't personally attack you, I just pointed out your entitlement mentality. Anyone who says society "owes" them a job clearly feels entitled. I never said you were evil or lazy or anything negative or insulting.
2) Everyone has various abilities and disabilities. I'm a small weak female, I don't expect to be given a job that requires significant physical strength. We each must figure out what we're good at, and pursue opportunities that utilize those strengths. If you, say, have a bad back, then you won't do well as a carpenter, mason, or plumber, but you could certainly still be a writer, accountant, or engineer.
3) I don't doubt that you "want" to work in order to earn a living. But some people are simply more driven than others. Some people focus on their wants and work toward them until they are achieved; others try, then give up at the first setback and blame others or society for why they didn't succeed. What you don't seem to understand is that we ALL face setbacks in our lives; some people persevere, but some people accept failure. It's up to you to decide which group you fall into - the group that keeps trying until they succeed, or the group that gives up and blames others for their failure.
In spite of what you seem to think, I'm actually trying to broaden your mind to enable you to see that you do have immense opportunity - it's all about attitude. Just think about how your life would be if you were a female or disabled in some third world country, think about how those people's lives are, and they have no real opportunity to improve them. You live in a great country where you have the opportunity to do whatever kind of career you want - as long as you put in the hard work to achieve it. I'm an engineer - I worked my buns off to get a good degree and a good job. It wasn't handed to me. I went out and earned it. There were lots of times I could have quit along the way, some of those college classes are really tough. But I was determined, I stayed focused, I worked hard, and I NEVER GAVE UP. I never blamed a teacher if I didn't understand something they taught (believe me, sometimes the entire class didn't understand it), I simply put in the extra time to understand it, whether talking to the teacher after class, reading the textbook, talking to a different teacher, whatever.
Again, I strongly recommend reading "Think and Grow Rich." You don't realize the kind of power you already have, if you just change your attitude and outlook. And again, good luck!
At least we won't be standing in line at the bank behind you on payday based on your anguish at not finding a job.
And I'm sure you'll love paying those extra taxes come every April 15th because of folks like me requiring benefits just to survive.
Like I said, either I work at a job, provided someone cares enough to give me one (they did in the past, so what's the difference today anyhow??), or I can demand Big Brother government to take care of me, at your expense, of course.
So beacuse your disabled that makes ot alright to force employers to give you a job you are not qualifed for, that they do not need, and for only your benefit? Pathetic!
What about the disabled who are qualified but rejected on the basis of disability alone? There are federal laws in place for that. Legal action can be taken if a person has evidence and a lawyer. EEOC gives a right to sue letter. That's not really an entitlement issue. You can read up on the ADA, ACLU and EEOC to see for yourself. The sad thing is discrimination against the disabled in the workforce often goes unnoticed, which I'm sure you are probably glad for.
Wow... Looks like we're hanging out the hammer and sickle here. So jobs are the new charity???
Sorry, folks are going to have to work within the realm of free market economics. If they can't find a spot, train and retrain, and hope for the best. If you know of a better system, feel free to outline it, but capitalism has done very well for this country in our time.
Wow... Looks like we're hanging out the hammer and sickle here. So jobs are the new charity???
Sorry, folks are going to have to work within the realm of free market economics. If they can't find a spot, train and retrain, and hope for the best. If you know of a better system, feel free to outline it, but capitalism has done very well for this country in our time.
Seriously. I mean, it's like these people have never heard of the USSR or North Korea. If people think that system works so great, why aren't they moving to North Korea? Or Cuba?
And I'm sure you'll love paying those extra taxes come every April 15th because of folks like me requiring benefits just to survive.
Like I said, either I work at a job, provided someone cares enough to give me one (they did in the past, so what's the difference today anyhow??), or I can demand Big Brother government to take care of me, at your expense, of course.
As I keep saying, the choice is yours.
No , the choice is yours, as your attitude would no doubt repel most employers. They owe you nothing other than an opportunity to compete. What you do with that opportunity is in your hands.
OP---You are disabled, and want a job. The questions any potential employer is interested in and can help you get a job are:
1----What is your education level, and what type of course of study did you follow?
2----What work experience of any have you had. In other word, what are the jobs you held?
3----What type of skills do you have. Example: If you want an office job, what office equipment can you operate. Can you type at least 50 words per minute on a computer key board.
4----What type of job, would you like to have.
5----What type of accommodations need to be made for you to do the work on the type of job you desire.
In other words, tell us what you can do in the way of work. Maybe instead of complaining answer those questions, and possibly someone on this thread can assist you to find a job. People are hired for their ability and skills, and the more abilities and skills you have, the easier it is to get a job.
So beacuse your disabled that makes ot alright to force employers to give you a job you are not qualifed for, that they do not need, and for only your benefit? Pathetic!
This entire thread is pathetic. I work to pay the taxes that support the deadbeats who have the audacity to demand MORE, for absolutely no input whatsoever. What is scary is their vote is worth the same as mine.
Get ready... America is on the path to becoming a banana republic, and I fear we aren't too far off.
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I don't think they get it's a vicious cycle and currently we are on a race to the bottom. When the middle class collapses and there is no more money to spend - THEN businesses will get it.
Meanwhile - all those jobs they did away with during the recession? They are NEVER coming back. Because corporations have figured out they can work their current employees like DOGS and increase their profit.
So, there is no end in sight until our current society collapses.
We will thrive together or we will fail together.
Many jobs are coming back, including many manufacturing jobs that everyone thought were lost. America is becoming competitive in many regards.
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You can outsource all the jobs you want but who will buy the goods? You take the jobs from americans, then expect americans to buy the goods when they can barely keep a roof over their head. It doesn't work like that. Outsourcers have broken a cycle and will pay for it dearly. That's the thing though, they only see in the present (profit) but not the consequences that will arise in the future. If america becomes an impoverished third world country, corporations will not be able to sell their junk here for inflated prices. Like a $2.00 pair of nike shoes for $200. Haha, jokes on you. Go find your "profit" somewhere else.
I'm not as anti-business as you may think I am, but I think anyone who would sell out their country to make a buck, even going as far as to pull the rug out from millions, is insane.
So don't buy the foreign made goods. Problem solved. Most of my furniture and almost all my tools were made in America, Germany or Canada. I do not buy cheap Chinese junk.
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I'm glad you acknowledged the part about how businesses are not owed a profit. That's one thing the capitalism/free market preachers always forget to mention. In a true free market you can't make deals with politicians to pass laws that prevents people from out competing you. That's another one the capitalists forget to mention. In a real free market there is no bailouts, no handouts, no "the government has to train my workers", etc. You are on your own. Literally.
So.... Since you're so smart, what is a better system than capitalism? Holding a gun to the heads of business owners and demanding something that is not rightfully yours? So why would anyone want to start a business when they could simply become a leech? You know, have someone else work to support YOU. And why start a business if I am forced to hire those who are not qualified?
And don't even get started on how you feel discriminated. You've already explained that you do not disclose your disabilities when seeking employment
Your problem is you will not get on the damn bus to find a job. That is no one's fault but your own.
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Seriously. I mean, it's like these people have never heard of the USSR or North Korea. If people think that system works so great, why aren't they moving to North Korea? Or Cuba?
So.... Since you're so smart, what is a better system than capitalism? Holding a gun to the heads of business owners and demanding something that is not rightfully yours? So why would anyone want to start a business when they could simply become a leech? You know, have someone else work to support YOU. And why start a business if I am forced to hire those who are not qualified?
And don't even get started on how you feel discriminated. You've already explained that you do not disclose your disabilities when seeking employment
Your problem is you will not get on the damn bus to find a job. That is no one's fault but your own.
Interesting assumptions here:
1) The classic one where if anyone disagrees with crony capitalism, than they must be a "socialist / communist / etc." Nobody said capitalism is a failure, but unchecked greed will lead to failure of any system. Just another classic case of wanting to make changes = "you're un'merican!"
2) Ah, yes - holding a gun to the head of business owners to take something that is not rightfully yours. Hey, what about the trillions of dollars in wasted Bail Out money that was taken from us and given to some of them? That wasn't rightfully theirs. What about the jobs that we've all worked that are now gone - who gave them the right to gut a nation's economy to make a few extra bucks? They don't deserve to be able to do that. Then, there's how they took our government from us - another thing they shouldn't own.
3) The assumption that those who are at the top in businesses are those who started them. Newsflash - most CEO's these days, at least in medium to large corporations, did NOT start the business, so it is disingenuous to paint them as poor, hobbled heroes of the common man who just wanted to follow the American Dream. Most of them are at least a generation removed from the founders and got there via connections and knives stuck in the backs of others, so they don't deserve any respect, especially not as they busily gut the nation's jobs and give themselves absurd bonuses are rewards. This is different in small businesses, but they are also not the ones sending countless jobs overseas while buying up our leaders.
And still no answer to the question regarding what people who ARE skilled, able, and willing to work are supposed to do if there are no jobs thanks to our "wonderful" business owners getting rid of all of them. Maybe we can all start our own businesses! Because that'll fail, statistically, and won't do a dang thing to pay the bills for several years at best, but who cares... the alternative would be demanding some accountability from those who run the world. Hint: it's not the "evil" government, but instead those who OWN the government...
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