Is the climate of the southeast really an inferior/not a true subtropical climate? (North Carolina, Alabama)
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One thing I just can't help but wonder about is what exactly the South-Southeast would be like in winter once its cold epoch is over.
Maybe averages would resemble this winter?
One thing that I notice about the Southern Hemisphere is how quickly the "wet" subtropical/tropical look and influence dies off as you go poleward of ~30° or so — you then get some sort of quasi-med or "warm oceanic" regime going through.
The differences in ecology and climate between Durban and East London illustrate this well. See also Sydney versus Coff's Harbour in Australia, or even Buenos Aires and Porto Alegre vs Floripa. I don't know what to call it, but I can definitely sense the "midlatitude" features that grow stronger in poleward direction — even in the ocean moderated Southern Hemisphere.
I’ve notice this as well. Maybe it has to do with the cold water currents and the lack of shielding the smaller landmasses provide
No, I have only heard about it. It is possible that people have confused jackfruit with breadfruit as they are related and fairly similar looking but jackfruit is less demanding.
There is a photo of a seeded breadfruit at Santa Cruz palmetum in this thread: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index...24-breadfruit/ It's looking a lot healthier in the photo than when I saw it earlier this month.
Would Durban be less suitable than Santa Cruz de Tenerife? Winter average lows are considerably lower but highs a little higher and the much greater rainfall, humidity and summer rather than winter rainfall bias would be more favourable to most tropical plants.
They get chilling damage around 10C so probably not. Furthest north I've seen it in Florida is Pine Island with lows in the 13-14C range in the coldest month. And it still looks horrible coming out of winter.
Jackfruit is not comparable at all, it's even slightly hardier than coconut and much more chill tolerant. It survives mild winters in Houston with no problems and I could never dream of growing coconut here.
They get chilling damage around 10C so probably not. Furthest north I've seen it in Florida is Pine Island with lows in the 13-14C range in the coldest month. And it still looks horrible coming out of winter.
Jackfruit is not comparable at all, it's even slightly hardier than coconut and much more chill tolerant. It survives mild winters in Houston with no problems and I could never dream of growing coconut here.
This looks to me like a breadfruit tree in Durban botanic gardens. The only reason I mention jackfruit is searches for images of breadfruit in Durban turn up lots of jackfruit, so it's likely they are being confused and reports of "breadfruit" might be jackfruit, especially as neither are familiar in South Africa.
I don't think it's easy to compare NH more continental influenced climates such as Florida with SH more ocean influenced ones like Durban. Even if average winter lows are similar, monthly mean minimums will be lower in Florida. Eg Fort Myers has a coolest month average low of 12C and a mean minimum 3.4C. Durban is 10.5C and 5.8C for 1961-90. If anyone has more recent data it would be interesting, as I think it's probably warmed considerably.
Durban botanic gardens also list breadfruit as one of the trees they grow, with one of them listed for the co-ordinates of that street view tree. See https://durbanbotanicgardens.org.za/trees-1-2-3/
Durban botanic gardens also list breadfruit as one of the trees they grow, with one of them listed for the co-ordinates of that street view tree. See https://durbanbotanicgardens.org.za/trees-1-2-3/
Yeah it looks like a stunted and sparse breadfruit
It's not surprising that breadfruit grow better in Miami as it's a tropical climate, and we're talking about subtropical climates here.
I saw some even nicer looking ones in the Daintree region of Australia where it's warmer and wetter again.
Miami has similar mean minimums but warmer averages overall than Durban. I referenced it to illustrate the difference extra heating makes (and less chilling) despite similar absolute lows.
Daintree of course doesn't see any real cold at all
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