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All the way up to Queensland, which I believe is north of 30°S?
Sydney's both moderated and rain shadowed. Its lack of snow is much more complex than simply being "subtropical"
Explain it away however you like, the fact remains that the coldest temperature Sydney measured during that cold snap of yours was 7.5°C/46°F. Snow and other forms of winter weather are unknown in Sydney--just like everywhere else at sea level on the Australian mainland.
And BTW, Sydney is not rain-shadowed. Quite the opposite in fact.
Just my 2 cents, but I see nothing wrong with snow in some subtropical climates. Subtropical is supposed to be between continental (where snow sticks around on average) and tropical (where it doesn't snow on average), so the criteria of snow falling but being unable to accumulate (provided it snows in that subtropical climate) seems very logical to me.
Just my 2 cents, but I see nothing wrong with snow in some subtropical climates. Subtropical is supposed to be between continental (where snow sticks around on average) and tropical (where it doesn't snow on average), so the criteria of snow falling but being unable to accumulate (provided it snows in that subtropical climate) seems very logical to me.
Except there are many non-tropical locations where snow is unknown. So why should subtropical locations be condemned to suffer snow while their temperate brethren escape scot-free?
Oh but...... but the genius Ed mountain said Florida doesn't look like that, Florida is completely evergreen while the rest of the south is a deciduous wasteland, something's wrong!!!
No, as I said before there's a demarcation line. It lies somewhere north of Florida.
Except there are many non-tropical locations where snow is unknown. So why should subtropical locations be condemned to suffer snow while their temperate brethren escape scot-free?
Why is snow any more significant than a heat wave or a hurricane? You never answered the same question before.
Not following the logic of "subtropical locations can have snow so therefore any location that never records snow despite being temperate is therefore at least subtropical"? Is that what you are implying?
Is Auckland "superior" to tropical Miami, Freeport or Tampico on the basis of not having recorded snow? Certainly not reflected in the local ecology flora whatever.
And to the Texas satellite snow pic you posted before, maybe you should go find one for Guangzhou and Fujian too?
Why is snow any more significant than a heat wave or a hurricane? You never answered the same question before.
Not following the logic of "subtropical locations can have snow so therefore any location that never records snow despite being temperate is therefore at least subtropical"? Is that what you are implying?
Is Auckland "superior" to tropical Miami, Freeport or Tampico on the basis of not having recorded snow? Certainly not reflected in the local ecology flora whatever.
And to the Texas satellite snow pic you posted before, maybe you should go find one for Guangzhou and Fujian too?
Superior is subjective, so not really relevant.
Auckland's flora is very representative of not being a temperate climate with a dormant period.
Auckland's flora is very representative of not being a temperate climate with a dormant period.
Also, any recorded snowfall in a climate data's history does not take away the overall climate in itself, even in North Florida, there's native palms everywhere as well as plenty of broadleaf evergreens galore too.
Also, any recorded snowfall in a climate data's history does not take away the overall climate in itself, even in North Florida, there's native palms everywhere as well as plenty of broadleaf evergreens galore too.
Yep - I only really consider the ability of a climate to enable growth during the coldest months, and while cold snaps may limit the species that can grow, the ability to sustain growth is more important in defining an ecosystem imo.
That's what I mean about vegetation reflecting the climate - the individual mixture of plants can often be unique to an area, and can reveal that it can be an otherwise warm climate prone to occasional negative anomalies etc, or a climate without negative anomalies but steady cold season growth, etc.
The devil is often in the detail - not one or two indicator species, but the whole package.
Except there are many non-tropical locations where snow is unknown. So why should subtropical locations be condemned to suffer snow while their temperate brethren escape scot-free?
I never said all non-tropical locations see snow on a regular basis. There are certainly some which don't, such as Wilmington or Tallahassee.
But, again, it makes sense that some subtropical locations see snow even if not all subtropical climates or climates within the C temperate scheme do. I stand by what I said about snowfall being possible but not being able to stick around as a good 'middle of the road' between tropical and continental, and have seen nothing to suggest it isn't a good middle of the road.
I never said all non-tropical locations see snow on a regular basis. There are certainly some which don't, such as Wilmington or Tallahassee.
But, again, it makes sense that some subtropical locations see snow even if not all subtropical climates or climates within the C temperate scheme do. I stand by what I said about snowfall being possible but not being able to stick around as a good 'middle of the road' between tropical and continental, and have seen nothing to suggest it isn't a good middle of the road.
What Asdgi said is also logical imo.
It's also a good point that most of Ohio doesn't have regular snowfall even, but that doesn't change the overall structure of its climate, now does it?
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