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Old 11-18-2012, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Polar Jet... Meet Sub Tropical Jet.... Nice to meet you.

Latest GFS has a memorable snowstorm for the Upper Mid West towards the end of the month. It keeps a persistant Trough in the West with a Ridge in the East so temps warm up in the Mississippi valley on this run..

Do I believe this snowstorm? Well lets just say... #1. Its the GFS. #2. Its medium range not short range. #3. It's the first time Im seeing it. So the quick answer is NO.. Not yet.

Look at the 850mb temps in part of Canada there! -26°C (-14F°) Single digits bleed down into the U.S


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Old 11-18-2012, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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NOAA's thoughts on next couple weeks. Trough and cool stays in the East and South while the West Warms up.

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Old 11-18-2012, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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NOAA's thoughts on next couple weeks. Trough and cool stays in the East and South while the West Warms up.
What else is new? Except for a couple of brief shots, the west has been above normal forever.
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Old 11-18-2012, 10:38 AM
 
Location: Laurentia
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just started pouring with rain and wind is up too. Its 2c and its absolutely baltic outside.
2C with pouring rain? If it could get just a bit colder it might snow.
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Old 11-18-2012, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Cool post by NWS Upton.

Anyone with a home weather station or barometer notice the high pressure the last two days, especially this morning? This graphic displays an analysis of the sea level pressure across much of the nation on this Sunday morning. One aspect that stands out is how high the sea level pressure is across the eastern United States and southeast Canada. A 1043 millibar (mb) high pressure is situated near Northern Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. Sea level pressure values across our service area this morning are from 1038 to 1040 mb! These stronger surface high pressure systems are more common to occur during the late fall and winter months. As a reference, the standard atmosphere sea level pressure is about 1013 mb

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Old 11-18-2012, 12:51 PM
 
Location: North West Northern Ireland.
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2C with pouring rain? If it could get just a bit colder it might snow.
It probably wouldn't. The humdity would just rise because in order for it to cool down it needs to rain lotswhich means increased humidity, in siutations like this I've seen it rain as low as 0.4c- humidity was 99 and it took the temperature to drop to 0.1c to snow. Dosnt matter anyway as it's going to warm up later tonight.
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Old 11-18-2012, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Near the Coast SWCT
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Here's what the most recent run of the GFS shows for the Sunday the 25th.

Dry in the East High pressure down in the southeast pumping some nice warm air, small trough in the northeast keeping them seasonable, zonal flow for the west, notice the low pressure over Texas.... That High pressure will move East into the Atlantic making room for that Low to move across



Wednesday the 28th. Notice the Low pressure now. It basically exits off the coast and heads up the coast as it strengthens. Weak system but also notice the cold air pouring down from Canada. Northern Tier of Northeast gets some snow from this. We'll have to see if this countinues..

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Old 11-18-2012, 06:20 PM
 
Location: Paris
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It probably wouldn't. The humdity would just rise because in order for it to cool down it needs to rain lotswhich means increased humidity, in siutations like this I've seen it rain as low as 0.4c- humidity was 99 and it took the temperature to drop to 0.1c to snow. Dosnt matter anyway as it's going to warm up later tonight.
Do you get freezing rain at times? When a warm front come by after some below average temps, you hope for some transient snow and all you get is rain even though it's -2°C. Dangerous on top of that.
I've read about rain at -10°C in Quebec.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:23 PM
 
Location: Leeds, UK
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Freezing rain is something I have never experienced, or have any memories of experiencing. I recall one night after the Dec 2010 cold spell, I think it was early Jan, and we were forecast snow, it was 1C, and I hoped it would snow.. but it poured with rain. 1C and pouring rain. That is really horrible.

Uppers are really important when it comes to snowfall, as well as dew points and intensity of the rain. If the rain is heavy enough, it may allow for evaporative cooling.
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Old 11-18-2012, 06:35 PM
 
Location: USA East Coast
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As promised folks...the cold departures are vaporizing....a nice early evening in the southern tier from Cailiforina east to the lower Atlantic coast. All this warm air is heading toward you guys up in the Midwest and Northeast. NYC and Washington DC could see near 60 F Thanksgiving day, while Denver will hit over 65. Miami and LA should make 80 and 70 respectively Thanksgiving day:




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