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Old 09-11-2023, 01:29 PM
 
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...That's false, you can not build cities everywhere. Just because you have lots of uninhabited land doesn't mean you can build cities there. The Western half of the US is mostly uninhabitable due to various reasons like lack of water sources, topography, nature reserves etc.

There's no reason expansion "must" take place in those areas. There is still PLENTY of land.
Also, humans tend to change the environment to suit them.

As previously stated, cities are black holes of consumption.

Los Angeles' water supply is a good example.

The State of California via the State Water Project is diverting water from over 400 miles away via pipelines and aqueducts south to supply L.A.

https://ladpw.org/landing/wr/watersu...%20California.
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Old 09-11-2023, 01:42 PM
 
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One reason why North Americans don't think other countries build SFH type housing is that the tourists, travel shows and social media influencers usually stick to the historic/business centers or country estates (and occasionally slums/projects for social commentary).

Also a reason why North American urbanists vastly over-estimate foreign transit, cycling and walking modal share.
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Old 09-11-2023, 02:25 PM
 
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One reason why North Americans don't think other countries build SFH type housing is that the tourists, travel shows and social media influencers usually stick to the historic/business centers or country estates (and occasionally slums/projects for social commentary).

Also a reason why North American urbanists vastly over-estimate foreign transit, cycling and walking modal share.
The majority of people in the UK live in houses like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/xxDH7XWr12qgjdf47

https://goo.gl/maps/3YoBebMW8NzTjQsN7

https://goo.gl/maps/3u1Jv7eXCEaR5LSx8

https://goo.gl/maps/C16CbZptErCs87Lq8

https://goo.gl/maps/oJZsd7XbCgzS5kGPA

https://goo.gl/maps/WdS3h7bGK8F9NzCg8

https://goo.gl/maps/BH5KZdjAqdLAjJ569

Pretty much all SFH twin or row houses.

Much of France, Spain, Portugal and Italy looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/EyJRnFCaQK6jyXwP9

Walled single family homes and the rest lives like this: https://goo.gl/maps/VkAQjGkM4PxJ2Tu37

https://goo.gl/maps/VkAQjGkM4PxJ2Tu37

Of course that's not what tourists are seeing, yet all these places are still pretty dense and walkable.
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Old 09-11-2023, 02:26 PM
 
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There's no reason expansion "must" take place in those areas. There is still PLENTY of land.
Also, humans tend to change the environment to suit them.

As previously stated, cities are black holes of consumption.

Los Angeles' water supply is a good example.

The State of California via the State Water Project is diverting water from over 400 miles away via pipelines and aqueducts south to supply L.A.

https://ladpw.org/landing/wr/watersu...%20California.
The State of California has a water crisis. Didn't you know this from your 'real world experience' as citizen of your country?
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Old 09-11-2023, 03:08 PM
 
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The State of California has a water crisis. Didn't you know this from your 'real world experience' as citizen of your country?
The example given was simply to illustrate that the absence of a particular resource in one area is not a bar to development.

...and their answer would be importing more water from elsewhere. Just like every city out there must bring in resources from outside of the city.

Your country has an energy and resource crises. Yet it is simply importing more from elsewhere.

California had a water crises before yet some thought it would be great to develop/"densify" in Southern California. More people in the area increased the water needed well beyond the water available. Political weight enabled diverting water away from areas that had it to feed Los Angeles through expensive aqueducts, canals, and pipelines.


Densification as you promote does not solve resource shortages - it tends to exacerbate them for the most part.
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Old 09-11-2023, 03:24 PM
 
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The majority of people in the UK live in houses like this:

https://goo.gl/maps/xxDH7XWr12qgjdf47

https://goo.gl/maps/3YoBebMW8NzTjQsN7

https://goo.gl/maps/3u1Jv7eXCEaR5LSx8

https://goo.gl/maps/C16CbZptErCs87Lq8

https://goo.gl/maps/oJZsd7XbCgzS5kGPA

https://goo.gl/maps/WdS3h7bGK8F9NzCg8

https://goo.gl/maps/BH5KZdjAqdLAjJ569

Pretty much all SFH twin or row houses.

Much of France, Spain, Portugal and Italy looks like this: https://goo.gl/maps/EyJRnFCaQK6jyXwP9

Walled single family homes and the rest lives like this: https://goo.gl/maps/VkAQjGkM4PxJ2Tu37

https://goo.gl/maps/VkAQjGkM4PxJ2Tu37

Of course that's not what tourists are seeing, yet all these places are still pretty dense and walkable.

Hmmm.
How sad.
Don't see anything particularly "exciting" about the dense "walkable" area. If anything the appearances seems a bit depressing. Don't think you'll find many wanting to trade in a house on a lot for a graffiti-laden multifamily unit.
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Old 09-11-2023, 04:57 PM
 
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I know many people say most of the world is way way and I mean way way overpopulated and cities build before the invention of vehicles and that is true for lot of countries but what about country by land mass close to the US land mass?

———————— Tot. Area (Km²)

United States Tot. Area (Km²) 9,372,610

When you look at say

Russia Tot. Area (Km²) 17,098,242 is bigger than the US

China Tot. Area (Km²) 9,706,961 is bigger than the US


Also Brazil Tot. Area (Km²) 8,515,767 just little smaller than the US

Size of Brazil to US
https://www.reddit.com/media?url=htt...13f1&rdt=57155


Why don’t you see cities like US cities in those countries when they have lots and lots of land. I don’t think the reason is land problem unless large part of the country land is not suitable for nice flat land for buildings homes because of mountains.
I don't know about Brazil, but the govt owns the land, not individuals, don't they? Second is...they don't need it, since the build UP, centering around big cities, or separately on farms. Third is...lack of citizens owning vehicles to travel the distance to work? Also, lack of extensive road system? Also, citizens can't afford to own homes? Just some guesses.

Those are different cultures, different way of life.
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Old 09-11-2023, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Saskatoon - Saskatchewan, Canada
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The USA suburbanization is really unique. Other countries are kinda similar, especially Canada, and also Australia and New Zealand. But in these countries the suburbs are a bit denser overall, I suppose. In some american suburbs the density is extremely low, with bigger houses and a larger distance between neighbours when comparing with these other countries.

In the case of Brazil, living in detached houses is far from uncommon. There are some geographical limitations because of the country's topography, as well as socio-economic limitations that make people build smaller houses in smaller lots, sometimes two or three houses in the same lot. So suburbs usually are associated with poverty here. But there are parts of the country where people have a better financial situation and the cost of living is decently affordable, so the suburbs are better (still much more dense than USA).
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Old 09-12-2023, 08:44 AM
 
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90% of Canadians live within 100 miles (160 km) of the U.S. border. More than 70% of Canadians live below the 49th parallel.
: : : : .
That is really strange why is that the case? Is land not suitable for building?
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Old 09-12-2023, 08:48 AM
 
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Why are the streets so narrow there? And why dense suburban than the US style?
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