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Sprawl is subsidized in the sense that the taxes currently paid by those living in suburbia generally don't pay for all of the maintenance cost of the suburbs. It cost more to serve a larger area with water, sewage, fire coverage, police coverage etc. And suburbs cover more area with fewer people so more in taxes would be necessary per capita. There's been analysis done that show inner city neighborhoods end up paying more in taxes than suburbia per square foot. Now I will caveat this by saying that the increase in taxes necessary for suburbia to pay for itself is probably affordable for those who live in the suburbs.
Why would dense areas in city pay more in taxes than in people living in the suburbs?
The irony is, IC_deLight, a hyper individualist and follower of the libertarian anti-urbanist Randall O'Toole does never hesitate to tell us, that you can not speak for others and that we are all individuals with our own preferences that need to be respected, yet he repeatedly speaks for an entire nation and generalizes their preferences when it fits his anti-urbanist agenda.
The problem I have with city planners and university professor getting their master degree the ones that are pushing urban or suburb is they slap cheep mixed use building or condo in car centric suburb and call it day. There is a reason why a street network of down town cities are more friendly than suburbs street hierarchy with crescents and courts and dead end streets and walking like for ever to next major street.
Not sure who "they" is intended to identify but we in the U.S. prefer a more democratic government over a dictatorship.
China has 1,411,750,000 people where the US has 333,287,557 people. It been pointed out that most of China land is mountains and desert. What land is left is in the east and south east area.
China probably did not want to go crazy building suburbs in what available land they have and need for farming and with such big population numbers.
Also before Mao Zedong and even when Mao Zedong was in power China was a agriculture society and people where dirt poor. It was only when people moved to the cities did people living standards gone up.
Terms such as "suburb" are not defined in discussions. It could refer to built form within or outside of a juristic entity city. It could refer to a territory outside the territory of a juristic entity city. It could even refer to the territory of smaller juristic entity cities near a larger juristic entity city. The lack of any clear definition simply leads to argument because there is no "meeting of the minds" as to what a "suburb" is or what a particular poster means when they use the term "suburb". Of course there are some posters that backpedal to change definitions when it suits them because the term is not defined to begin with. The posters that simply want to constantly argue prefer to leave terms ill-defined.
In the US culture it means backyard, property, may be swimming pool if lucky, house not almost touching the other house like in Europe dense suburb and driveway. Not much traffic living on quite a cul-de-sac if lucky with garage if lucky.
Well obviously Europe dense suburbs is better than dense urban but still very alien to US culture suburbs.
No one wants to live in dense suburbs or streetcar suburbs.
Why would dense areas in city pay more in taxes than in people living in the suburbs?
Depends on which taxes and how much services the burb provides. Taxes in the U.S. can be a bit complicated as each State, County, town can have it's own sales taxes and property taxes as well as house prices. One of the problems with Chicago is that if you can afford a house about $250,000 or more you can afford one in many burbs and at $500,000+ almost any burb you want. In addition our excellent commuter rail network makes living far out the city possible if you are working downtown. (i.e. outside of Cook Country--Where Chicago and some(but not all) of it burbs are located. For instance Naperville is an burb no one it their right mind would drive to downtown from in rush hour but thanks to Metra express trains you could get to downtown in about an hour. In rush it would be pushing two hours in a car crawling in traffic.
Anyway some burbs have higher property taxes but also better schools or lower crime. Some(many) give more house for your money. Some more rural areas have lower taxes, fewer services but lower taxes.
The State of Indiana has lower property taxes and often lower taxes over all the ILL and the South Shore line makes living in NW/IN and working in Downtown Chicago possible. Now there is complication because if you work in one state but live in another you do have to pay taxes on income to both states. So you may owe both IL and Indiana by doing this.
In addition the Burbs themselves are huge job center. Chicago's loop is the 2nd biggest job center in the state, but it's burbs in total are #1. So you might not even be driving into the city itself.
Anyway driving gives one far more choices as to where to live and where to work.
More propaganda probably from Wrong Towns and Urban2. Hopefully you are paying money to subsidize them.
"Cities" (the juristic entity) do not pay for all the services nor are amenities distributed equally throughout either.
In many areas, utilities such as water, gas, and electricity are provided by non-municipal service providers (even in cities). The customers pay base rates plus usage fees to the utilities. The utilities do not charge customers of the same type different fees. The rates for the fees ensure adequate return for the utility.
Many services may also be provided by other entities such as districts - each with their own territories. Districts have taxing authority. Emergency service districts, water districts, etc. Districts tend to be more local. District boundaries are independent from cities. Districts are far better than regional authorities (as typically associated with rail and public transit) because they actually provide services for the people in the district (rather than what you see with regional transit authorities).
I live near multiple cities but not in one. No city provides any service. There is no subsidy from any city. The people in these areas may commute to work in the city, shop in the city, and travel to a city for entertainment, or otherwise spend money at some venue in the city. The population outside of the city is considerably larger than the city. I'd say we subsidize the city, not vice-versa.
Contrary to the goals of WrongTowns and Urban2, the goals of most homeowners/residents/citizens is to keep as much of their money in their own pockets - not to be enslaved to maximum tax revenues to a city. You won't find these organizations promoting cutting government spending. The only thing that will happen with greater revenues is more borrowing and spending for new programs, etc. rather than unglamorous infrastructure maintenance..
In the US the city not provide that service but the county and private businesses. Things like water, gas and power will be provided by private businesses not the the city or government.
The streets and roads will be provided by the city unless it is county road. Why sure the city or the federal government provide this service?
Firstly, you have no idea about these places because you have never lived there and secondly, you have no evidence that there is a direct connection between density and your suspected problems. Thirdly you are speaking for others again. Many families do not agree with your nonsensical lies about urban living.
The poster is complaining about city services and arguing who should provide that service be it city or federal government. But why should they pay more in taxes to get better services?
In the US the city not provide that service but the county and private businesses. Things like water, gas and power will be provided by private businesses not the the city or government.
The streets and roads will be provided by the city unless it is county road. Why sure the city or the federal government provide this service?
It depends. Chicago actually provides water to itself and some burbs but this is run by Government i.e. it is a separate Metropolitan district that serves cook county. Other burbs may use well water or other source. Each burb will have it's own sewage system and in some of the more rural places septic tanks.
Gas and power are private here but in some regions power in provided by the TWA which is a Federal Government organization.
Burbs will have power, water, and gas. Street paving depends on the road. Some roads will be taken care of by the burb(or city) itself, some will be taken care of by the Country or State. The Federal government provides some funding the the U.S. route system which are streets that connect and run across the courtly.
Also some people live in unincorporated areas. The are run by the county for the most part have very few regulations and often fewer taxes.
The Federal Government generally does not provide services like those. They do give money for the interstate system and grants for local stuff and likewise the state and counties to cities. In the U.S. there are levels of Government each doing different things and responsible for different things.
It depends. Chicago actually provides water to itself and some burbs but this is run by Government i.e. it is a separate Metropolitan district that serves cook county. Other burbs may use well water or other source. Each burb will have it's own sewage system and in some of the more rural places septic tanks.
Gas and power are private here but in some regions power in provided by the TWA which is a Federal Government organization.
Burbs will have power, water, and gas. Street paving depends on the road. Some roads will be taken care of by the burb(or city) itself, some will be taken care of by the Country or State. The Federal government provides some funding the the U.S. route system which are streets that connect and run across the courtly.
Also some people live in unincorporated areas. The are run by the county for the most part have very few regulations and often fewer taxes.
The Federal Government generally does not provide services like those. They do give money for the interstate system and grants for local stuff and likewise the state and counties to cities. In the U.S. there are levels of Government each doing different things and responsible for different things.
Generally speaking, in most of our larger cities, water is supplied by either a city department or some sort of metropolitan public agency. It's only in the suburbs or small towns surrounding a city where private companies operate water systems.
Electricity is usually privately provided, but in addition to the Federal Tennessee Valley Authority in the mid-South, some states (Washington, e.g.) and cities (Los Angeles, Seattle, Kansas City, Kan., e.g.) have their own publicly run electric utilities.
Gas is usually privately provided, also, but I live in one of the handful of cities where a publicly owned utility (Philadelphia Gas Works) operates the supply system.
What year? Is Russia just now starting to build suburbs?
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