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Which works in Park Slope since it's sitting on top of excellent transit so the fact that people spend 30 minutes driving around looking for street parking and buy parking spots for $80,000 and $240/mo isn't as horrendous as it might sound. It's not like you HAVE to.
Now, since we can just put Park Slopes anywhere, let's see how it works in a cornfield in Kansas where there's no transit. Since Park Slopes doesn't really have many jobs (it's mostly a bedroom community for Manhattan; most bedroom communities have restaurants and shopping too), most of the people living in Park Slopes, Kansas, are going to need to drive to get to work outside of their bedroom community. That's the faced by most New Urbanist developments. People do actually leave the neighborhood, so if you put it in an area where 90% of people drive, you're still going to have 90% of people driving. If you put it in an area where 100% drive, you're still going to have 100% driving. Neighborhoods don't exist in isolation.
You can either realize that just because Park Slopes works NYC doesn't mean it would work in a cornfield in Kansas or you can pretend that location doesn't matter and it would work because people will just use transporters or something to get around in the area outside of their immediate neighborhood or just never have to leave. I know that's not the ridiculous point you made, but the point was raised.
So you go from one extreme to another to try to prove a point? The cornfields of Kansas could support the work demand of Park Slope therefore businesses would need to be built and then it would no longer be the cornfields of Kansas, it would be a densely populated city that takes up a small amount of land.
So you go from one extreme to another to try to prove a point? The cornfields of Kansas could support the work demand of Park Slope therefore businesses would need to be built and then it would no longer be the cornfields of Kansas, it would be a densely populated city that takes up a small amount of land.
Again you missed the point, based off how you talk about these cities you consider them unsafe. I would probably consider them unsafe though I don't know much about any of those cities specifically. But what you consider unsafe might be what I consider safe therefore it is unmeasurable. But we could look at crime statistics and see which areas have more or less chance for crime.
So in your opinion, you cannot gauge how safe a given street, city or suburb is to your personal health without seeing (reported) crime statistics for that specific area?
It would appear you are being purposely obtuse for no good reason.
On another note, I have no idea why you are participating in this thread, seeing how your logic seems to dictate that you would be unable to label an given area a "ghetto" without knowing what everyone on City Data would consider a "ghetto" to begin with.
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No, all you have proven is there is less chance for crime in the suburbs over major metropolitan centers. You cannot measure what is safe and unsafe.
So again, you couldn't tell me if the slums of Lagos, Nigeria are safe or not without personally knowing what my definition of "safe" would be?
Good luck with that. I guess some people simply lack any form of "street smarts".
So in your opinion, you cannot gauge how safe a given street, city or suburb is to your personal health without seeing (reported) crime statistics for that specific area?
It would appear you are being purposely obtuse for no good reason.
On another note, I have no idea why you are participating in this thread, seeing how your logic seems to dictate that you would be unable to label an given area a "ghetto" without knowing what everyone on City Data would consider a "ghetto" to begin with.
Welcome to Circular Logic 101.
So again, you couldn't tell me if the slums of Lagos, Nigeria are safe or not without personally knowing what my definition of "safe" would be?
Good luck with that. I guess some people simply lack any form of "street smarts".
No, but I can tell you what is dangerous based off crime statistics. I can also tell you where I personally feel safe and don't feel safe because safe is a subjective term.
I also can discuss what is and isn't a ghetto based on poverty levels and crime statistics, as well as tell you where you have a higher probability of being involved in a crime as much as I can tell you where it is least likely to happen.
Sorry you can't comprehend that the word safe is a subjective word.
Then you should safe I feel safe in most of Chicago because I have a very high threshold of danger rather than most of Chicago is as safe as any suburb.
Safe isn't a subjective word. It depends upon how you use it in a sentence.
Then you should safe I feel safe in most of Chicago because I have a very high threshold of danger rather than most of Chicago is as safe as any suburb.
Safe isn't a subjective word. It depends upon how you use it in a sentence.
You said you have a high threshold for danger, yet don't understand that safe is a subjective term? Do all people have the same threshold as you?
"Most of Chicago is as as safe as any suburb" is not subjective. It's just factually wrong. Even though it's not as safe as any suburb doesn't mean you might not feel safe there.
"Most of Chicago is as as safe as any suburb" is not subjective. It's just factually wrong. Even though it's not as safe as any suburb doesn't mean you might not feel safe there.
I'm not really following your logic, either. Some places have a higher crime rate than other, therefore some places are less safe than others. If someone doesn't perceive the safety difference, that's certainly possible, it also means their perception is wrong, or at least not useful.
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